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Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by pfortuny on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @04:58AM (#44441484)
Wow this is a huge caveat: a guarantee that they are using data and not complying with GDPR.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by sigmoid10 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:05AM (#44441522)
GDPR is not the issue here, the new AI act is. Since this is an open-weight release it is not bound by the training data disclosure rules, but it probably didn't go through the evaluation that is required above a certain number of FLOPs. That's why many recent big player model releases had a staggered release in the EU.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by waffleiron on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:21AM (#44441613)
There is not a single AI model that fully complies with GDPR. How can you inform everyone, even those not named by actual name but otherwise identifiable, that their data is being processed and give them the ability to object when the data they train on isn’t public.

Literally the same for all other open weights, this is just legal ass covering where most others don’t even do that.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by imiric on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:01AM (#44441497)
Shocking. At least they acknowledge it.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by trhway on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:27AM (#44441652)
It isn't acknowledging. It is just a legalese to wash their hands away from following whatever EU restrictions and requirements may be applicable here otherwise.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by Mars008 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @07:08PM (#44449774)
With EU love for regulations soon everyone will exclude it without even reading those regulations.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:02AM (#44441503)
If you download to your PC and run locally, what will happen?
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by nord73 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:14AM (#44441573)
Picture your PC as a cheery little planet in the EU’s cosmic backwater, sipping a digital Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster. You download Pangu Pro MoE, hit “run,” and expect to chat with an AI wiser than Deep Thought. Instead, you’ve hailed a Vogon Demolition Fleet. Your machine starts moaning like Marvin with a hangover, your screen spews gibberish that could pass for Vogon poetry, and your poor rig might implode faster than Earth making way for a hyperspace bypass.

The fallout? This AI’s sneakier than a two-headed president—it could snitch to its creators quicker than you can say “Don’t Panic.” If they spot your EU coordinates, you’re in for a galactic stink-eye, with your setup potentially bricked or your data hitchhiking to a dodgy server at the edge of the galaxy. Worse, if the code’s got a nasty streak, your PC could end up a smoking crater, reciting bad poetry in binary.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by shit_game on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:30AM (#44441670)
To translate for those not familiar with the writings of Douglas Adams:

nord is suggesting it's possible that the physical computer running this model could be used as a "hub" for potential spyware, or be overloaded with workloads that are not related to the actual task of running the model (and instead may be some form of malware performing other computational tasks). It could potentially perform data exfiltration, or act discriminatorily based on your percieved location (such as if you're located within the EU). At worst, data loss or firmware corruption/infection may be of concern in case of license violation.

I'm not sure I would outright disagree that this as possible, but with some caveats. I would think the reason that the license stipulates that usage within the EU is forbidden due to the EU AI Act (here is a resource to read through it: https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/ai-act-explorer/).

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:15AM (#44443344)
how will the "open weights" know that the pc is running within EU? again, you are not talking about software that actually runs in your pc but the file that the software reads and loads into memory for its own use.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by tliltocatl on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @06:53AM (#44442143)
Sorry, sounds like total bullshit. The weights aren't going to do anything. And if you are worried about the code, with current deployment practices of curl | sudo bash there are much more low-hanging fruits out there. That's not even mentioning the possibility of running the model on a PC without internet access (no matter how good the new Chinese AI is, it's still not good enough yet to convince you to let it out of the box).
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by arccy on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:26AM (#44443454)
with mcp, and the right tools, it's effectively already out of the box
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by tliltocatl on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:32AM (#44443527)
Don't give it mcp then (and I struggle to understand why would anyone give a stochastic model such access even if it is trained on very American NSA-certified hardware approved by Sam Altman himself).
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:39AM (#44443607)
you can use existing apps that take random huggingface files, do you expect weights to somehow coax the software to do exfiltration?

same. i call bull on this.

remember how they convinced huawei was public enemy without evidence because nokia and others were unable to compete with them?

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:37AM (#44443585)
>If they spot your EU coordinates how.

can anyone give a technical answer how will weights get to know this fact?

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by jaggs on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @10:16AM (#44444022)
No it's actually worse. Approximately three seconds after you install the model in offline mode on your computer, a small detector van will come and park outside your door with an antenna on the roof, and relay your position to a Chinese ICBM for immediate targeting.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by HSO on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @06:04AM (#44441860)
a siren will go off and in 10 secs your computer will explode
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by seydor on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:11AM (#44441551)
energy consumption
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by viraptor on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:04AM (#44441521)
You'll be both breaking their licence and potentially your local European data laws.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by lukan on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:48AM (#44441779)
" potentially your local European data laws."

If run locally, why?

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by johnisgood on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:50AM (#44441790)
I called him out in another thread. It makes absolutely no sense. He is talking against himself, judging by his comments.

To answer your question, he modified my comment (see the parentheses):

"> The point is, who gives a damn about (doing an illegal thing) in reality, on their (private property where nobody is likely to see that)?"

So... at best what he said is purely theoretical. He admitted it himself: "nobody is likely to see that". Though I am not sure I agree with it, but then again, in reality, no one gives a fuck, at least not in Europe.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by viraptor on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @06:52AM (#44442140)
There are likely multiple potential issues here, but one specific example: Processing and storage of PII without consent/authorisation is not allowed, regardless of whether you do it yourself or for others. And you can't guarantee that this model does not contain private information hoovered up by accident.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:16AM (#44443352)
so what. will they send cops after you.

breaking license will do what? whats up with licenses and violations? you and me are random people on internet

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by Barrin92 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:25AM (#44443436)
>breaking license will do what?

The same thing breaking any license does. If you do it in your basement, nothing by definition. If you incorporate it in a service or distribute it as part of a project, well then you're on the hook. (and that is what license holders tend to care about)

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by rusk on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:04AM (#44441514)
The same thing that usually happens when you violate TOC …

Probably safe enough on your own computer, but could have consequences if it’s a work computer.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by 2Gkashmiri on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @09:17AM (#44443364)
>could have consequences if it’s a work computer.

consequences for employer who "might" get a license audit done on their machines.

does it really happen so often that a random employer in the eu would have to be concerned?

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by rusk on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @04:40PM (#44448581)
consequences for you when you unwittingly open up a back door or expose your organisation to a data breach
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by seydor on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @05:09AM (#44441544)
does anyone comply with gdpr & Ai act? Even for mistral i m not sure, the best we can say is "we don't know"