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Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by xeromal on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @10:58AM (#44378110)
Doesn't seem like a bad place to move it to!
Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by ceejayoz on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @11:10AM (#44378251)
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/02/963207129/usda-research-agenc...

> She says that more than half of agency employees decided to quit rather than uproot their families and move. Despite aggressive recruiting in Kansas City and making many new hires, both USDA research agencies are now roughly half the size they were before the move.

(As intended, of course.)

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by LeifCarrotson on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @11:20AM (#44378342)
It's not a bad place, but you'd have to move it there slowly if you wanted it to work. Establish a satellite campus, bring a few people there from the original HQ who want to move or will accept whatever incentives you can offer to move, hire locals where possible, work to build relationships like internships with UMKC programs or other local businesses and agencies, hire aggressively from people already in the surrounding area, and then over a period of a few years to a decade people looking to get an education and future job in this industry will realize there's opportunity in Kansas City, and you can start closing down the original location and building up the new one.

If you do this with no plan and no incentives in a matter of a year or less, it's going to decimate the whole agency.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by nickff on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:00PM (#44378768)
The way that politics works these days means that any gradual move like that would likely be reversed by the next administration. The unfortunate reality is that if you want something done, the only option is to do it suddenly.
Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by bilbo0s on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @11:17AM (#44378325)
It's a horrible place to move it to.

If we make moves, Ok. How about this..

We move these agencies to get adversarial impulses going in service of cost control.

We move the USDA to the middle of New York City.

Urban Development to Tomah Wisconsin. (I'll settle for Nacogdoches Texas just to make sure the South gets some of these HQ's).

Department of the Interior should be moved to Miami Fl.

Department of Defense to Berkeley California.

And so on and so forth.

All should be legally obliged to hire only locals in civilian roles.

Having the USDA in Kansas City guarantees the tax payer gets robbed blind.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by nickff on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:03PM (#44378812)
Why is Kansas City such a bad choice? I understand that you think it’s awful, I just don’t know why. From my very naive perspective, KC seems lower cost, and closer to farms than DC.
Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by 98codes on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:29PM (#44379127)
Too far from the beach.
Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by ceejayoz on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:49PM (#44379374)
> closer to farms than DC

Virginia and Maryland have plenty of farms.

A quick look on Google Maps shows one within ~10 miles.

But, ultimately, the USDA isn't there to farm.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by bilbo0s on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @02:16PM (#44380300)
closer to farms than DC

Exactly why it shouldn't be there.

No adversarial environment. Corruption flourishes where there is no adversarial environment.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by micromacrofoot on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @11:41AM (#44378567)
except that no one wants to move from DC to Kansas City, it's essentially designed to get all your best employees to quit
Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by potato3732842 on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:15PM (#44378967)
The best employees are probably exactly the ones who'd be ecstatic do the same job but in KC.

The people who would rather be within the beltway than do the job are exactly the ones I'd be suspect of.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by ceejayoz on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:17PM (#44378991)
The best employees can probably jump ship to get a job that doesn't require relocation halfway across the country.

The ones that grudgingly move are the ones who can't.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by potato3732842 on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:28PM (#44379110)
The people who see the rest of their career being in agriculture will be very happy with the move. It's much easier to parlay your job studying agriculture into a job for someone who makes equipment for or an academic institution or trade group dealing in agriculture when you're in the same economic region. Moving isn't the end of the world to most of them because most of them knew it was in their future at some point.

The people who will get the shaft here are the career bureaucrats who see themselves jumping to another agency as they can either make that way harder for themselves by moving or quit because they are already located in the best place for their intended career track.

Given the choice I know exactly who I'd rather have staffing the agency.

Replace USDA with 18F or (pre Doge) USDS and the insanity of your agreement is laid bare for even the most uncritical reader to identify. Of course such agencies would be better off (from a hiring perspective) in SF or some other tech city than they would in DC (of course their customers are in DC so that kind of complicates things).

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by ceejayoz on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:34PM (#44379175)
> Replace USDA with 18F or (pre Doge) USDS and the insanity of your agreement is laid bare for even the most uncritical reader to identify.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18F

"In 2024, 18F consisted of approximately 91 distributed employees working remotely across the United States."

They wouldn't have wanted to all relocate to KC either.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by potato3732842 on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:36PM (#44379196)
Nitpick all you want. My point stands. USDA draws heavily on the ag sector talent pool so it should be where that talent pool is. Maybe that's not KC, maybe some other city in middle america is better. But KC is still way better than DC.
Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by ceejayoz on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @12:42PM (#44379276)
> USDA draws on the ag sector talent pool...

71% of their budget goes to stuff like the food stamp program, interacting with tens of thousands of schools and state/local governments and whatnot.

The talent pool for bureaucrats (and researchers, and statisticians, etc.) is fundamentally more important.

(And let's not pretend there's no agriculture on the East Coast.)

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by micromacrofoot on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @03:31PM (#44381049)
So admittedly KC isn't the best for the AG sector, but somehow it's still magically better than DC... where all the experts who have worked for the USDA and who are the most familiar with how it operates, live.

Forget the point, you don't even have a leg to stand on.

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by potato3732842 on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @03:33PM (#44381058)
>So admittedly KC isn't the best for the AG sector, but somehow it's still magically better than DC... where all the experts who have worked for the USDA and who are the most familiar with how it operates, live.

I'm not saying it's not the best. I'm hedging against people like you making low effort comments that contribute nothing to the discussion like that by saying it might not be the best but it's better than DC

Re:NSF getting kicked out of headquarters by HUD by micromacrofoot on Wednesday June 25, 2025 @04:09PM (#44381372)
Better based on what? How can you call any comment low effort when you provide 0 information to back up your claim that Missouri is better than DC?

The USDA move was so bad that they lost a significant number of employees and were still working with significantly less experience years later. This is outrageously expensive and disruptive to any company or agency.

Not to mention the fact that about 5 years later the administration is making massive additional cuts to the agency after relocating and rehiring for it. It's just churn for nothing.

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