Re:Finally, a Makefile formatter (50 years overdue)
by viraptor on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:10AM
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It definitely is a problem when the tool you're going to use a few times a week takes an extra hundred milliseconds compared to a native solution. Especially when you need to process huge data files like hand crafted makefiles. I can totally feel your pain - extra effort would've been made to avoid that at the cost of development speed. /s
Re:Finally, a Makefile formatter (50 years overdue)
by justinrubek on Sunday June 22, 2025 @10:09AM
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I find that writing anything substantially complex in python sacrifices the development speed. That isn't its strong suit. It's that a lot of people want to write their code in it by preference.
Re:Finally, a Makefile formatter (50 years overdue)
by IshKebab on Sunday June 22, 2025 @10:32AM
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Yeah if only it was an extra 100 milliseconds a few times a week. We have yamllint (also written in Python) in our pre-commit (also written in Python) and it definitely adds a second or two.
Also format-on-save is a common workflow.
Re:Finally, a Makefile formatter (50 years overdue)
by turtlebits on Sunday June 22, 2025 @01:06PM
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Then remove it? There's always tradeoffs adding tooling - I'm assuming you have it in your workflow to catch downstream issues because it saves more time in the long run.
Re:Finally, a Makefile formatter (50 years overdue)
by mcswell on Sunday June 22, 2025 @01:39PM
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> 1. Terrible performance
Performance only matters if you're doing something compute- or disk-intensive, and then only if the libraries you're using are Python all the way down. (AI programming, at least the kind that most of us do--I don't know about places like OpenAI) is generally done with Python using libraries that use some compiled language under the hood.
And in this case--a linter--performance is almost certainly never an issue.
2. Terrible installation UX.
The number of issues we've had with pre-commit because it's written in Python and Python tooling breaks constantly...
In fairness, the latter point may be finally solved by using `uv` and `uv tool install`. Performance is still a major issue though. Yamllint is easily the slowest linter we use.
(I'm tempted to try rewriting it in Rust with AI.)