I do not care whether or not this project is written in Python. Sure, he chose Python because he is more familiar with it. That is fair enough to me.
Example: I thought this music or movie sucked. I do not need to even know how to make a song or a movie to be able to criticize it, same with books. I can criticize a book, or an article, without having written one myself.
All that said, where did I criticize? I did not criticize anything, at all.
I stated facts. Perl is indeed faster than Python, and Perl was indeed made with string manipulation in mind.
FWIW it really was just about his comment, and I made two statements: Perl is faster than Python, and that Perl is especially good for string manipulation.
None of it has anything to do with the author choosing Python. How many times do I need to repeat myself?
You are the one who are being extremely defensive about it and making it seem like I give a damn about whether or not this project is written in Python. I told you I do not care. I was responding to your comment. No matter how much you insist on my reply (to you) being a criticism of the author or his project, it will not make it so.
I am done talking to you, you are seeing ghosts.
This is incoherent no matter what two programming languages you are talking about. It's like trying to say the road is fast, as opposed to the car.
But in practice, for anything where performance matters, Perl and Python are effectively just convenient ways to wrap a C inner loop anyway. I don't just mean gluing to some third-party library, either. I mean something inside the interpreter. Once you've built the state machine for the regex, the language bytecode doesn't matter any more.
Which is why it's dozens of times slower in both Python and Perl to run a do-nothing for loop than to iterate through a string with a dummy regex, or to use built-ins to search for a character, etc. (Or to create the string in the first place.)
> it is great for string manipulation, which again, is not a matter of opinion
This is incoherent no matter what programming language you are talking about. Of course it's a matter of opinion. Other people aren't going to like the same syntax you do.
Yet everyone talks about performance when it comes to programming languages. Why? And what does coherence have anything to do with it?
Plus I explained what I meant by that, there is a huge difference in the startup time of Perl and Python, for one, and you can check benchmarks. The implementation of the two languages are not identical. If they are not identical, there must be a difference in performance one way or another, I assume.
> This is incoherent no matter what programming language you are talking about. Of course it's a matter of opinion. Other people aren't going to like the same syntax you do.
I do not think anyone is going to argue that Brainfuck was made with easy string manipulation in mind, or Forth.
The point is that Perl helps you manipulate strings with relative ease. Assuming you know the language, yeah.
In fact, please read other comments, because I have already said this: "For the 100th time, I was responding to "[...] python and it is easy to do string manipulation with.".". It is easy to do so in Python, but even easier (and faster) to do on Perl. In both cases there is an assumption of knowing the language, and I thought that goes without saying.
I said nothing about liking the syntax or whatever you are trying to read into it. It is easy to do string manipulation, regardless of your like or dislike of the syntax. Thus, not an opinion.
I know this may come as a shock to the average HN reader, but most people do not think very clearly. Even programmers. And among those who do, it is quite rare that people speak precisely without putting in considerable effort.
> but even easier (and faster) to do on Perl.
You have no objective way to substantiate this claim (because such cannot exist), therefore it is in fact a matter of opinion.
Trivial example:
Replace all numbers in a string:
Perl:
$string =~ s/\d+/NUM/g;
import re
string = re.sub(r'\d+', 'NUM', string)
Perl is implemented in C with a runtime that aggressively optimizes text processing. The core primitives such as split, join, substr, index, s///, etc.) are tight wrappers around C functions with minimal object overhead. In Python, even simple string manipulations go through Python's object system, and in Python strings are immutable, so every manipulation creates a new string object, which incurs extra memory allocation and garbage collection.
Perl is typically 30-80% faster in similar regex-heavy workloads because there is no import overhead, internal opcode dispatch for regex, and no allocation of new strings until match is confirmed.
Shall I go on?
[johnisgood@arch regex]$ hyperfine 'perl regex_test.pl' 'python3 regex_test.py'
Benchmark 1: perl regex_test.pl
Time (mean ± σ): 1.807 s ± 0.028 s [User: 1.752 s, System: 0.054 s]
Range (min … max): 1.780 s … 1.857 s 10 runs
Benchmark 2: python3 regex_test.py
Time (mean ± σ): 3.316 s ± 0.230 s [User: 3.246 s, System: 0.069 s]
Range (min … max): 3.052 s … 3.858 s 10 runs
Summary
perl regex_test.pl ran
1.84 ± 0.13 times faster than python3 regex_test.py
You know why?
Because Perl was practically designed for text processing and regex.
It has:
- A regex engine that's deeply integrated and highly optimized.
- Less overhead (no interpreter startup, minimal memory structures).
- Simpler string substitution and less abstraction.
Seriously, it is not a matter of opinion.
I hope you are convinced now.
In case you are not, let me know, I will let you in on a lot of great details. :)
I'm still not sure why this got you so involved.
As I have said a couple of times, it is fair enough that he is comfortable with Python or that he decided to use it for whatever reasons.
At any rate, I cannot come back to this thread anymore. :P
My comment has absolutely nothing to do with this project or its author, nor the language he has chosen. See the other comments in this thread.