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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:21AM (#44344329)
Why are you assuming that Iran wants to destroy Israel? Everything I’ve actually seen is the complete opposite: it’s Israel that clearly wants to destroy Israel.

The whole “preemptive strike” stuff is BS and not a serious argument.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by intermerda on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:40AM (#44344443)
> Why are you assuming that Iran wants to destroy Israel?

I'm guessing from the words and actions of Iranian leaders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:31AM (#44344731)
What are you pointing at there? Their position from 1979 which is 12 years after 1967?

Also, let’s leave rhetoric aside. What is the actual record of violence between Israel and anyone else? It’s not even close https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Israel here is the aggressor. Not acknowledging that makes no sense and doesn’t leave grounds for any meaningful discussion.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by untrust on Sunday June 22, 2025 @04:10AM (#44344965)
From the wiki they linked:

In 2015, former Basij chief and senior RIGC officer, Mohammad Reza Naqdi, stated in an interview that the destruction of Israel is "nonnegotiable". In addition, according to the Times of Israel, Naqdi said that during the summer Gaza conflict with Israel, a significant portion of Hamas’s weaponry, training, and technical expertise was provided by Iran.[27][28] In 2019, Naqdi made a direct call for the destruction of Israel during a televised interview. Naqdi asserted that the Zionist regime must be "annihilated and destroyed," asserting "This will definitely happen." He declared his intention to one day raise the flag of the Islamic Revolution over Jerusalem.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:50AM (#44346505)
The Zionist state as it is since 1967 has to be dismantled and it must go back to its 1967 borders. That’s international law.

Also, you seem to be putting a lot of weight from words 10 years ago by former officials when current Israeli officials including the head of state is clearly voicing support for genocide.

The otherising of brown Muslims comes easy.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by nkmnz on Sunday June 22, 2025 @04:27AM (#44345069)
Rhetoric aside. What was the actual record of violence when Hitler published „My Struggle“ in 1925, laying out his ideas of solving the „Jewish question“? Why should one believe the evil of it lays out its plans way in advance?
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:52AM (#44346528)
By 1925 the Beer Hall Putsch had already happened and Hitler was in jail for high treason.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by nkmnz on Sunday June 22, 2025 @01:23PM (#44348583)
By 2025 Iran had already been known to sponsor the acts of war the Houthis are performing against Israel.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @06:57PM (#44350997)
Hey, how many people has Iran killed versus Israel in the last 20 years. Waiting for reply. Let’s see who the real terrorist is - my guess is you’re not going to pick the state that’s committing genocide. You’re gonna pick Iran because, frankly, Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hate has been normalized.

Also, by your distorted rationale, given that the US has committed the most acts of terrorism in the world over the last 50 years, do you think it's OK if a random country (let's say, China) to bomb them as being sponsors of terror in Nicaragua, Chile, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, East Timor, Vietnam, Guam, etc etc? I'm guessing, no, right? But you're very comfortable with Iran being bombed. What does that say about your biases?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by nkmnz on Thursday June 26, 2025 @01:55PM (#44389687)
Yes, I am very much biased in favor of the the middle eastern state that has a democratic constitution, doesn't kill gays and offers the highest level of equal opportunities for all their citizens, no matter their gender or religion. I don't like many of their current policies, but the race between Mullahs, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc. on one side and Israel on the other side... it's not even close. It's a couple of centuries between them.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Friday June 27, 2025 @08:47PM (#44401541)
You been watching beat too much western media
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by nkmnz on Saturday June 28, 2025 @06:10PM (#44408575)
Yeah sure, we all know about Gay Pride in Gaza.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by nkmnz on Monday June 30, 2025 @05:49PM (#44428284)
Silence can say a lot.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by motorest on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:28AM (#44344368)
> Why are you assuming that Iran wants to destroy Israel? Everything I’ve actually seen is the complete opposite: it’s Israel that clearly wants to destroy Israel.

Even by your own logic, do you believe that having a country threaten your existence is not reason enough to want them destroyed?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:45AM (#44344475)
destroy Iran I mean
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by motorest on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:52AM (#44344518)
If you pay attention to my question, you'll notice that it isn't conditional to who made threats to who. Do you believe this influences your answer?
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by recroad on Sunday June 22, 2025 @09:05AM (#44346624)
This whole “threaten your existence” is a clutch in your argument. It smells like “but Hamas…” and tries to create a precondition of condemnation of one side which also happens to be the victim.