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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by jrflowers on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:34PM (#44343292)
What evangelical church doesn’t believe in the second coming or the significance of the holy land?

Like your pastor, at your evangelical church, preaches that these things are not literal?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by lunar-whitey on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:00AM (#44343456)
There are evangelical movements within American mainline Protestant denominations that broadly hold to amillenialism and do not concern themselves with contemporary speculation regarding eschatology. They receive less attention nationally because they are politically irrelevant.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by jrflowers on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:24AM (#44343601)
Amillennialism does not necessarily mean a wholesale rejection of the notion of biblical prophecy. If anything it is largely a disagreement about what the fulfillment of biblical prophecy will look like.

That aside, of course there are always small movements in every faith, but that isn’t usually super meaningful or helpful when talking about the larger group. I’m sure you can find some Catholics that don’t believe in transubstantiation but nobody is out here painting the church as being Eucharist-neutral.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by lunar-whitey on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:46AM (#44343729)
I would not characterize entities like the United Methodist Church or the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America as small movements. Both are evangelical churches in the historical sense and neither has a specific position on contemporary political entities as they relate to Biblical prophecies.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by RickJWagner on Sunday June 22, 2025 @09:03AM (#44346602)
The statement was “they changed their mind and want to postpone the Armageddon now?”

This is not the same as believing in the second coming. It specifically deals with the timing, suggesting all evangelicals think alike and want Armageddon immediately.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by jrflowers on Sunday June 22, 2025 @06:43PM (#44350897)
That kind of sounds like two pretty different complaints.

I can see the issue with the “changed their mind” comment. Of course armageddon accelerationist evangelicals aren’t going to change their minds, that position comes from deeply held convictions and values that are for many inextricable from their faith. To suggest that they would abandon their enthusiasm for the coming of the savior and the age of messianic peace that he brings with him is kind of dismissive of how seriously evangelicals take the topic of the second coming.

Conversely, the complaint about the enthusiasm about the timing of the return of Christ is kind of a head scratcher for me. You seem to assert that Jesus’ return is fundamental to your beliefs but you personally would prefer that he arrives later. Like it is important and central to your faith but it is also offensively presumptive to assert that anybody would actually want it to happen.

It is kind of like you are simultaneously complaining that he is taking the evangelical position on the second coming both too seriously and not seriously enough.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by handfuloflight on Sunday June 22, 2025 @07:05PM (#44351041)
Thank you for articulating, better than I could have, the currently unexpressed thoughts in my own mind.