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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by unyttigfjelltol on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:51PM (#44342529)
Add to that, its "deterrence" arsenal of intermediate range ballistic missiles (IRBMs) are credible militarily only as nuclear delivery systems. For example, the "Khaybar Breaker" rocket (English meaning), referring to a destruction of an historic Jewish stronghold, leaving little to imagination, when equiped with conventional warheads are simply an expensive way to ruin hospital wings. But, when you merge heavy rockets with diligent production of precursors of nuclear weapons, not only is that work toward military use of a nuclear weapon-- it creates a powerful inertia toward actually completing that work, from two directions, lest your very expensive work prove pointless. The current war is vividly demonstrating that IRBM's are not deterrent unless (a) impossibly numerous or (b) unconventionally armed. A threshold IRBM threat makes it more, not less, likely to provoke a first strike against it, as has occurred.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by Animats on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:48PM (#44343370)
Also note that Iran does have an ICBM of sorts. They have a space launch vehicle, capable of putting maybe 600kg in orbit. Anything that can achieve orbit can also be used as an ICBM. The US tends to operate on the assumption that it can bomb abroad without return fire. That may have just changed. The US has never attacked anybody with significant missile capability before.

The symbolic value of Iran hitting a target in the US, even with only a small conventional warhead, would be considerable. Washington, D.C. has some drone and missile defenses. But the rest of the east coast is not protected much.

Iran could also attack the US with drones launched from a small ship off the US east coast. Roughly the same technique Ukraine just used on Russia, using some small expendable ship instead of a trailer.

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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by roncesvalles on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:59PM (#44343445)
>The symbolic value of Iran hitting a target in the US, even with only a small conventional warhead, would be considerable.

This would mean complete suicide for Iran. The US military basically exists to inflict unimaginable hurt on anyone who does this. Not to mention, an attack on the US is an attack on NATO.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by bjoli on Sunday June 22, 2025 @01:40AM (#44344063)
There are loads of NATO countries that will not assist the US in this case because NATO is a defensive alliance not a "this country responded my armed aggression, let's strike them" alliance.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by LtWorf on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:05AM (#44346182)
If there was such a thing of an european politician that doesn't just do what USA tells them…
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by bjoli on Sunday June 22, 2025 @11:40AM (#44347803)
How about Denmark?

Donald Trump has made it very clear that the US should be looked upon as an adversary.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by LtWorf on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:27PM (#44348196)
Denmark in greenland are as much colonizers as USA would be.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by xdennis on Sunday June 22, 2025 @02:20PM (#44349080)
There were no people in Greenland when it was settled by the Norse in the 10th century. The current Inuit population arrived after the Europeans in the 14th century.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by LtWorf on Sunday June 22, 2025 @05:35PM (#44350492)
The norse didn't "settle", in the sense that they all died off before the current inhabitants.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by bjourne on Sunday June 22, 2025 @01:24PM (#44348588)
Article 5 doesn't count since the US very clearly started the war. Even the NATO articles recognize that Iran has the right to defend itself.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by CamperBob2 on Sunday June 22, 2025 @01:22AM (#44343935)
The symbolic value of Iran hitting a target in the US, even with only a small conventional warhead, would be considerable

Iran would definitely possess nuclear weapons after doing something like that. The only question is whether they're armed to explode in the air or when they hit the ground.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by tguvot on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:36PM (#44342878)
for people who don't follow news. last year Iran strikes on Israel with IRBM (two times, 150 missiles each time) weren't particularly effective (either intercepted or falling in empty fields). On the other side Israel attempt on taking our Iranian AD was success.

It led Iran to make 2 decisions

- Accelerate production of IRBM in order to have 10000 in stock and to build 1000 launchers in order to execute massive launches that will not possible to defend against

- Apparently the did decide to mate their IRBM with nukes as recently there was meeting between whoever managed iranian missiles problem and heads of nuclear project (there is economist article about it).

This comes against backdrop of hamas and hezbollah been wiped. especially hezbollah which was supposed to be strike force against israel with estimated 100k-200k missiles and rockets.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by Stevvo on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:19PM (#44343187)
Hamas has not "been wiped"; they have more members than before October 7th.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by mieses on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:03AM (#44343476)
I hope their new members are midwit western university students not capable of speaking fluent Arabic while extinguishing your consciousness.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by amluto on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:46AM (#44343730)
Do they have much in the way of military capability right now? They could have a full two million committed members, and that might be a serious long term strategic issue for Israel, but the actual immediate threat might be nominal.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by tguvot on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:11AM (#44344632)
some yes. left over weapon. they can booby trap buildings, attach explosives to apc/tanks. maybe some rpg. Occasional rocket info Israel. A bunch of undiscovered tunnels

but now after their command was wiped out and they can't sell aid, they have serious financial problems (they need to pay their fighters. it's very transactional).

but in case idf will leave gaza, they will have enough power to dominate the strip.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by petesergeant on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:50AM (#44343749)
> Hamas [has] more members than before October 7th

I'm skeptical of this; any source?

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by CapricornNoble on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:20PM (#44343201)
> for people who don't follow news. last year Iran strikes on Israel with IRBM (two times, 150 missiles each time) weren't particularly effective (either intercepted or falling in empty fields).

For clarification, those interception efforts last year required massive assistance from the US and Jordan, and required a hugely disproportionate and unsustainable investment of munitions to pull off. What we've seen in the last week is that Israeli air defenses are much more brittle than they want anyone to believe.