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Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by LargeWu on Thursday June 19, 2025 @03:55PM (#44321993)
It's also not a very big leap from "My purpose is to do whatever is the greatest good" to "It doesn't matter if I hurt people as long as the overall net result is good (by some arbitrary standard)"
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by oh_my_goodness on Thursday June 19, 2025 @05:27PM (#44322676)
I think this is the key comment so far.
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by ChadNauseam on Thursday June 19, 2025 @07:29PM (#44323459)
99% of effective altruists and rationalists agree that you shouldn't hurt people as part of some complicated scheme to do good. For example, here is eliezer yudkowsky in 2008 saying exactly that, and explaining why it's true: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/K9ZaZXDnL3SEmYZqB/ends-don-t...
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by LargeWu on Thursday June 19, 2025 @08:49PM (#44323849)
I believe they believe that, on its face.

I also believe that idealistic people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that their desired outcome is, in fact, the moral one. It starts by saying things like, "Well, what is harm, actually..." and then constructing a definition that supports the conclusions they've already arrived at.

I'm quite sure Sam Bankman-Fried did not believe he was harming anybody when he lost/stole/defrauded his investors and depositors' money.

Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by Propelloni on Friday June 20, 2025 @03:28AM (#44325463)
Like an very old dude once said: "No one is willfully evil."
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by m-ee on Thursday June 19, 2025 @08:13PM (#44323702)
This isn’t a hypothetical leap either. This thinking directly lead to the murders committed by the zizians.