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Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 19, 2025 @01:12AM (#44315635)
> Totally disagree

Hence debatable.

Let me escalate: I think such a bill would find bipartisan support. Right now might be a good time to attempt it.

I hate the idea of revoking citizenship. But a question about swearing, on naturalisation, that your supreme allegiance is to America should be incredibly popular to secure.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by WastedCucumber on Thursday June 19, 2025 @02:12AM (#44315929)
Hate to break it to you, but you'd have to find support from the IRS / Ways and Means Committee first. For these institutions, the primary characteristic of US Citizenship is filing your taxes, no matter where to live or if you've ever even lived in the country. This puts the USA in the same odd category as Eritrea, Hungary, and I believe one other country.

And despite the difficulty of revoking US citizenship, the rate of revocations has increased over the last decade or two. If there was such a simple way to toss out that old rag, I'm sure there would be many more (and a little less tax revenue).

So I'm afraid* the USA is much more transactional than you think, at least regarding citizenship.

*I must admit this is sarcasm. Thank god the US is transactional rather than so stubbornly patriotic about citizenship.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by birn559 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @01:39AM (#44315783)
That would have the consequence that naturalized citizen would be second class. Because they have to watch out for what to say, otherwise somebody might denounce them and they have to fight against their live being destroyed.
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 19, 2025 @02:06AM (#44315901)
> would have the consequence that naturalized citizen would be second class

I know more born citizens with a second nationality than naturalised ones who gave up their first.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by birn559 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @02:19AM (#44315958)
The same argument still applies.
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by exe34 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @02:13AM (#44315934)
Could you say a few words on why you think the words you have written justify the words you have quoted?
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 19, 2025 @11:15AM (#44319460)
The class of American citizens with two nationalities is populated more with the native born than naturalised citizens. If the class became second class, the latter would be—I suspect—underrepresented in it.
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by adastra22 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @01:24AM (#44315704)
You are conflating naturalization with born citizens.
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by victorbjorklund on Thursday June 19, 2025 @04:07AM (#44316499)
You know Trumps own wife and son are dual citizens right? Is he going to strip them of their citizenship and deport them?
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by simondotau on Thursday June 19, 2025 @02:45AM (#44316105)
Revoking citizenship for any reason (other than for abject fraud) means that citizenship means nothing.

Also, to be pedantic, you don’t have to have citizenship of a foreign country in order to have a greater allegiance to it.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by lipowitz on Thursday June 19, 2025 @03:18AM (#44316301)
> Also, to be pedantic, you don’t have to have citizenship of a foreign country in order to have a greater allegiance to it.

The behavior of the christian conservative cult is a bit more than a pedantic detail at this point. Why is trying to get Israel into a conflict to get Jesus to come and accelerate the end of all jews on Earth not antisemitism? I don't see wanting to use the Jew for cockfighting making it to the State Department's summary of antisemitism.

Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by account42 on Monday June 23, 2025 @05:26AM (#44353845)
Letting some people have dual citizenship while others only have one is already making a mockery of the concept.
Re:New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock s... by tdeck on Thursday June 19, 2025 @04:26AM (#44316590)
I think it would take more than an act of Congress.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk