News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by amazingamazing on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @02:49PM (#44302485)
Is it possible to get non-thinking only now, though? If not, why would that matter, since it's irrelevant?
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by jjani on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @02:54PM (#44302544)
Yes, by setting the thinking budget to 0. Which is very common when a task doesn't need thinking.

In addition, it's also relevant because for the last 3 months people have built things on top of this.

Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by amazingamazing on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @02:57PM (#44302568)
interesting - why wouldn't you use dynamic thinking? and yeah, sucks when the price changes.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by dcre on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @05:37PM (#44304231)
It makes responses much slower with zero benefit for many tasks. Flash with thinking off is very fast.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by Workaccount2 on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @06:02PM (#44304445)
To be fair, the point of preview models and stable releases is so you know what is stable to build on.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by Aeolun on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @07:49PM (#44305219)
The moment you start charging for preview stuff I think you give a tacit agreement that you can expect the price to not increase by a factor of 4.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by woleium on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @12:37AM (#44306712)
that’s a somewhat naïve viewpoint.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by Aeolun on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @07:33PM (#44314152)
I think the fact that everyone is like ‘wtf’ now kind of reinforces my viewpoint?

Doesn’t mean you can’t do it, but people won’t be happy.

Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by woleium on Friday June 20, 2025 @10:21AM (#44328005)
Who cares about happy (in the short term), as long as they continue to pay.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by jjani on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @02:33AM (#44307188)
Gmail was in beta for what, 2 decades? Did you never use it during that time? They've been using these "Preview" models on their non-technical user facing Gemini app and product for months now. Like, Google themselves has been using them in production, on their main apps. And gemini-1.5-pro is 2 months from depreciation and there was no production alternative.

They told everyone to build their stuff on top of it, and then jacked up the price by 4x. Just pointing to some fine print doesn't change that.

Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by vardump on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @11:32AM (#44310782)
I'd be more worried about Google just discontinuing another product. For example Stadia was similarly high profile, but it's gone now.

More examples here: https://killedbygoogle.com/

Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by drag0s on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @04:26PM (#44303563)
one example where non-thinking matters would be latency-sensitive workflows, for example voice AI.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by jjani on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @07:22PM (#44305051)
Correct, though pretty much anything end-user facing is latency-sensitive, voice is a tiny percentage. No one likes waiting, the involvement of an LLM doesn't change this from a user PoV.
Re:We're expanding our Gemini 2.5 family of models by eru on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @09:21PM (#44305775)
I wonder if you can hide the latency, especially for voice?

What I have in mind is to start the voice response with a non-thinking model, say a sentence or two in a fraction of a second. That will take the voice model a few seconds to read out. In that time, you use a thinking model to start working on the next part of the response?

In a sense, very similar to how everyone knows to stall in an interview by starting with 'this is a very good question...', and using that time to think some more.