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Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by dredmorbius on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @02:23PM (#44302167)
I'd long ago (1990s-era) heard that the original intent was that office secretaries would write their own SQL queries.

(I'd love for someone to substantiate or debunk this for me.)

Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by bazoom42 on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @02:58PM (#44302583)
Early on, programming was considered secretarial work.
Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by AdieuToLogic on Tuesday June 17, 2025 @09:30PM (#44305820)
> Early on, programming was considered secretarial work.

Incorrect.

Encoding a program was considered secretarial work, not the act of programming itself. Over time, "encoding" was shortened to "coding."

This is why the industry term "coder" is a pejorative descriptor.

Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by eru on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @02:23AM (#44307131)
> This is why the industry term "coder" is a pejorative descriptor.

For some people some of the time. I don't think that's true in general.

Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by 0points on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @03:15AM (#44307394)
> This is why the industry term "coder" is a pejorative descriptor.

It is not.

Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by brabel on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @07:20AM (#44308869)
It used to be widely seen as such. See for example Stallmanns latest post where he mentions that. Coder was not the same as programmer, it was the lesser half of the job. Nowadays the term has lost its original meaning.
Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by rsynnott on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @08:54AM (#44309476)
That's always the promise of these things; non-specialists will be able to program now! This has been going on since COBOL. The one case where it arguably worked out to some extent was spreadsheets.
Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by bluGill on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @10:47AM (#44310381)
Anyone with complex spreadsheets (which is a lot of companies) has a few programmers with the job of maintaining them. The more training those people have in "proper programming" the better the spreadsheets work.
Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by jimbokun on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @10:45AM (#44310360)
I would say that failed with SQL but succeeded with Excel. If you replace "office secretaries" with "office workers" in general.
Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by ahmeneeroe-v2 on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @01:41PM (#44311845)
It kinda came true. "Office secretaries" became PMs/junior analysts/etc and those people generally know basic SQL nowadays
Re:Now might be the best time to learn software development by gsinclair on Wednesday June 18, 2025 @06:56PM (#44313987)
I heard that from a lecturer too. It really stuck in the memory.