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Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by oblio on Saturday June 14, 2025 @05:30PM (#44278966)
We probably went wrong when we decided to maximize money versus maximizing happiness.

We badly need to move beyond GDP and to at least IHDI, if not something even better.

Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by nradov on Saturday June 14, 2025 @06:23PM (#44279241)
I can't buy food or pay my mortgage with happiness.
Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by oblio on Sunday June 15, 2025 @05:00AM (#44281334)
I didn't say it was easy. And I'm not talking about individual action. Governments should incentivize and force different things. Conceptually simple example: construction projects should require sustainability and aesthetics reviews, including, for example, use of better materials and green and walkable spaces. For example I find the butt ugly and cheap American solutions for sidewalks (I think continuously poured concrete cut into slabs with circular saws) much worse than the European ones (paving stones, often natural stone). The US is the richer country and it frequently looks cheaper and poorer.

Beauty matters.

Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by nradov on Sunday June 15, 2025 @09:45AM (#44282262)
What a terrible idea. I don't want my government to "force" things. Nor should idiot government bureaucrats have any authority over something as subjective as aesthetics.

Paving stones are terrible for skates, and not great for running either. Poured concrete is much smoother. And it's not cut with circular saws so I have no idea what you're referring to there.

Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by oblio on Sunday June 15, 2025 @03:14PM (#44284356)
Poured asphalt, then.

And it doesn't hurt to plant more trees. American cities, especially in the South, seem to be utterly allergic to trees. Which makes even less sense in hot climates.

Or huge billboards. Lack of general greenery and hedges to block noise. Stroads. I could go on an on. The average built environment in US cities and suburbs is awful and again, cheap.

Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by azan_ on Saturday June 14, 2025 @08:34PM (#44279773)
Whatever sensible measure you can imagine, it’s most likely very strongly correlated with gdp
Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by oblio on Sunday June 15, 2025 @05:00AM (#44281338)
At some point they diverge, otherwise we wouldn't have Karnataka and the US sitting where they are for HDI rankings.
Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by theamk on Saturday June 14, 2025 @10:55PM (#44280214)
When I moved from country where I had to use public transit to a country where I could drive, my happiness (re transportation) increased by a large amount.

I am not sure how this relates to the whole "public transit vs cars" argument though.

Re:Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft – and people are ... by tuna74 on Sunday June 15, 2025 @09:08AM (#44282121)
Where was this place where you could not drive? I don't know of any such place.