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Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by thebruce87m on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:26AM (#44256944)
Can’t we power a big laser and point it at space or something instead? Anyone got a dumber idea?
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by beAbU on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:04AM (#44257333)
There are so many things that are energy intensive and not really economically viable: co2 capture, crypto mining, "green" hydrogen, we could see a world soon where a large scale BESS would have an on-site dummy load that does something useful with that electricity
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by Analemma_ on Thursday June 12, 2025 @11:49AM (#44259138)
The problem with all those things is that they are ridiculously capital intensive to set up, and then they sit idle 80% of the time Worse, the whole point of negative electricity prices is that they're an inefficiency in the market which ideally will eventually be optimized away. Then what do you do with your billion-dollar plant that can only run with negative prices that no longer exist?
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by adgjlsfhk1 on Thursday June 12, 2025 @03:49PM (#44262387)
You're assuming the way they get optimized away isn't by these sorts of plants.
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by karmakurtisaani on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:27AM (#44257554)
I guess the problem with building a pure energy waster is that it could only operate every now and then, and it's not guaranteed to see negative prices in a few years from now. So, might not be all that profitable.
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by BobaFloutist on Thursday June 12, 2025 @02:16PM (#44260912)
Use the electricity to heat up a lump of iron to a very high temperature, than use electromagnets to fling it into space?
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by yetihehe on Thursday June 12, 2025 @04:13PM (#44262658)
If you heat up iron to very high temperature (>770°C), it's much harder to fling it using electromagnets.
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by BobaFloutist on Thursday June 12, 2025 @04:55PM (#44263103)
Ah that's annoying. Fine, we use the electricity to heat...uh...molten salt encased in stone, and to pull back a very big heat-proof slingshot, and after a threshold it lets go and launches it into space.
Re:Maximizing Battery Storage Profits via High-Frequency Int... by msgodel on Friday June 13, 2025 @11:37AM (#44269512)
Obviously the complaint is about the changing atmospheric absorption properties as a side effect of the generation side, not the heat from using the power.

Either way I think people are overthinking it though.