Re:World fertility rates in 'unprecedented decline', UN says
by owebmaster on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:09AM
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Do you see yourself as a civilisation maker?
Re:World fertility rates in 'unprecedented decline', UN says
by nathanaldensr on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:54AM
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It's an "in the aggregate" observation. There are exceptions to every rule, of course, but the facts are that men, not women, build civilization. The social contract, as referenced by GP, provides the incentive to do so. The incentive is important; men aren't going to continue slaving away for no reason.
Re:World fertility rates in 'unprecedented decline', UN says
by ethbr1 on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:58AM
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> the facts are that men, not women, build civilization
Could you or someone enumerate them?
Because I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that wasn't supported or enabled with women.
Re:World fertility rates in 'unprecedented decline', UN says
by owebmaster on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:29AM
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I think you are getting attached to a "social contract" that never existed, nobody asked you to slave way for no reason and no woman is a walking womb. And in fact, as obvious as it sounds, I have to remind you that you alone have zero capability of civilization building.
Re:World fertility rates in 'unprecedented decline', UN says
by tuesdaynight on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @10:21AM
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It's funny how some men don't see that. And it's funny how that idea changes when they have kids. How many dads are protesting for more paternity leave if it's so easier to spend time raising a child than working? How common is to find a solo father? If it's a "luxury", why women have to take the burden most of the time? If given the option, 99% of men would prefer working outside than being the parent that stays home raising the kids and taking care of the house. It's not a luxury or easier, it's just another type of work. They know it's hard work, they just don't care enough to really think about the topic.
Re:World fertility rates in 'unprecedented decline', UN says
by holsta on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @10:48AM
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> Who do you think built and maintained the socioeconomic systems that allowed women to focus on creating and raising children?
This statement completely ignores how our current world is shaped by white supremacy and the patriarchy. Women were prohibited from taking part in anything expect raising children (which even today is seen as contributing nothing).
Women who dared venture outside the home had their work ignored or credit stolen. Eunice Foote and Rosalind Franklin are two obvious examples.
Later, textiles, telecoms and computing were powered by women labour and they were expected to stay in their lane so the men could take credit and the money.
> Women have stopped making babies.
Couples have stopped making babies.
What an extraordinarily perverse view of recent history. Who do you think built and maintained the socioeconomic systems that allowed women to focus on creating and raising children? You could even more easily twist your perceptions such that men have been forced to work hard and short lives serving the whims of women who have enjoyed the luxury of sitting around making babies, singing nursery rhymes, and gossiping over afternoon tea with their friends.
Women have stopped making babies. So men have stopped wanting to make civilisation. We are indeed seeing the consequences of the collapse of this social contract.