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Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by johnQdeveloper on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @08:40PM (#44187170)
> This seems very bad for their business.

Well, it is gonna be all _AI Companies_ very soon so unless everyone switches to local models which don't really have the same degree of profitability as a SaaS, its probably not going to kill a company to have less user privacy because tbh people are used to not having privacy these days on the internet.

It certainly will kill off the few companies/people trusting them with closed source code or security related stuff but you really should not outsource that anywhere.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by csomar on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:10PM (#44187320)
Did an American court just destroy all American AI companies in favor of open weight Chinese models?
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by thot_experiment on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:27PM (#44187425)
afaik only OpenAI is enjoined in this
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by baby_souffle on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:40PM (#44187503)
> afaik only OpenAI is enjoined in this

For now. This is going to devolve into either "openAI has to do this, so you do too" or "we shouldn't have to do this because nobody else does!" and my money is not on the latter outcome.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by amanaplanacanal on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @10:08PM (#44187664)
It's part of preserving evidence for an ongoing lawsuit. Unless other companies are party to the same suit, why would they have to?
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by csomar on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:32PM (#44187452)
Sure. But this means the rest of the AI companies are exposed to such risk; and there aren't that many of them (grok/gemini/anthropic).
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by johnQdeveloper on Thursday June 05, 2025 @07:02AM (#44190410)
Correct, but lawsuits are gonna keep happening around AI, so it's really a matter of time.

> —after news organizations suing over copyright claims accused the AI company of destroying evidence.

Like, none of the AI companies are going to avoid copyright related lawsuits long term until things are settled law.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by pjc50 on Thursday June 05, 2025 @06:17AM (#44190174)
No, because users don't care about privacy all that much, and for corporate clients discovery is always a risk anyway.

See the whole LIBOR chat business.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by mountainriver on Thursday June 05, 2025 @12:02AM (#44188217)
You can fine tune models on a multitenant base model and it’s often more profitable.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by SchemaLoad on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:57PM (#44187600)
>don't really have the same degree of profitability as a SaaS

They have a fair bit. Local models lets companies sell you a much more expensive bit of hardware. Once Apple gets their stuff together it could end up being a genius move to go all in on local after the others have repeated scandals of leaking user data.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by johnQdeveloper on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @10:05PM (#44187647)
Yes but it shifts all the value onto companies producing hardware and selling enterprise software to people who get locked into contracts. The market is significantly smaller # of companies and margins if they have to build value adds they won't charge for to move hardware.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by bsder on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @09:26PM (#44187420)
> It certainly will kill off the few companies/people trusting them with closed source code or security related stuff but you really should not outsource that anywhere.

And how many companies have proprietary code hosted on Github?

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by johnQdeveloper on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @10:04PM (#44187639)
None that I've worked for so I don't really track the statistics tbh.

We've always done self-hosted as old as things like gerrit and what not that aren't even really feature complete as competitors where I've worked.