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Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by ChocolateGod on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:06AM (#44169072)
> The US. The EU is a bureaucratic institution, not a democratic one,

The US has a democratic system where the President is ultimately voted for by an unelected electoral college who can refuse to vote for the candidate their state voted for and has ended up with the candidate with most votes loosing.

Then said president can change the countries top court on obviously political lines and re-interpret existing laws and the constitution.

> At this time there are 0 people worth talking about in the Commission or the council

The European Commission has no need to play popularity contests, it's accountable to the heads of governments, not randoms on social media.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by seydor on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:18AM (#44169156)
> it's accountable to the heads of governments

The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries. There has been 0 cases where the head of the commision was held accountable for something. Actually the current head has been found guilty by the EU court for hiding text messages. Who is going to hold her accountable and how ?

I m all for the EU but defending its despicable leadership with arguments that reverse reality is not doing any favors to anyone

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by ChocolateGod on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:24AM (#44169209)
> The EU actively engages in selecting and canceling heads of governments in EU countries

Please link an example of the European Commission cancelling a government or election.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by seydor on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:01AM (#44169555)
Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by gls2ro on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @12:16PM (#44171645)
These two are questions asked by what I can infer members of the parliament. They are not official statements of the EU Parliament. Anyone can ask any question but that does not make it true.

Can you explain why you linked to these two links?a

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by nickslaughter02 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:53AM (#44169470)
"Thierry Breton, the European Union’s former internal market commissioner, admitted in a French TV interview at the end of last week that the Romanian Constitutional Court (CCR) bowed to EU pressure. It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu."

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/former-censor...

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by gls2ro on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @12:14PM (#44171618)
Where does he says the CCR bowed to the EU pressure? I followed the link that says _admitted_ and there goes to a Romanian website and they make a similar claim but as far as I can see he talks about applying the laws to protect against interference and not about making CCR decide something.

A link to other website that also does not provide any evidence is not evidence even if it looks like a citation.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by libertine on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:14AM (#44169715)
> It annulled the country’s presidential elections last month, following the first-round victory of the Eurosceptic and anti-NATO, right-wing populist candidate, Călin Georgescu.

You mean the fellow who illegally received undeclared external foreign funding? More concretely, from Russia, a declared state sponsor of terrorism?

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by lttlrck on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:05AM (#44169597)
The US doesn't have popular voting system. There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic.

I don't particularly like the Electoral College - but the history and the cases when members voted against the people are interesting and in some (many?) cases, examples of checks and balances.

Checks and balances don't always align with your desires. That's a feature of democracy not a failure.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by dataflow on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @10:44AM (#44170680)
> The US doesn't have popular voting system. There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic.

Presumably if my votes counted a million times more than yours, you wouldn't say it's still a democracy, right? The extreme here is obviously a single ruler whose vote counts more than everyone else's combined. Where do you draw the line here?

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by illiac786 on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @02:41AM (#44177807)
You are saying, if it’s not direct popular vote, it’s not democratic. Germany and the US are then no democracies by this standard, and I am sure there are much more. I believe UK also not.

That’s your definition, but then I’d like to understand what you call these form of government and how you differentiate from a country like russia, which is also holding elections.

The way you phrase it is very binary: either a country has popular vote or it’s the same as the least democratic countries.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by dataflow on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @02:59AM (#44177896)
> The way you phrase it is very binary: either a country has popular vote or it’s the same as the least democratic countries.

No. I merely pointed out that we have two extremes and that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and thus asked where the parent commenter draws the line. That's it. I never suggested anything about where I believe the line should be drawn.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by illiac786 on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @03:36PM (#44184651)
Not sure what line that is. The line after which one decides to leave the country? But the voting system of country rarely changes. Or is it the line separating the good from the bad countries? In which case, yes, it’s reductive and manichean.
Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by dataflow on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @05:14PM (#44185624)
The line at which you would stop feeling comfortable calling the country democratic. Again, I'm not judging, just asking a direct question, so no need to put other words in my mouth.
Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by treetalker on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @10:54AM (#44170775)
> when members voted against the people …

Many states now have "faithless elector" laws that require the electors to vote according to the populace's expectations of how the elector will vote in the college.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by ChocolateGod on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @10:39AM (#44170637)
> in no way does it make the US non-democratic.

I wasn't trying to claim the US is non-democratic, I was pointing out to the author of the prior comment that the US system isn't perfect either.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by MangoToupe on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @04:28PM (#44174360)
> There are good reasons for it, and in no way does it make the US non-democratic.

Sure, if by "democratic" you mean "people are allowed to file ballots".

Regardless, it's hard for me to see the senate and electoral college as very "democratic" in the sense of your vote mattering equally.

Re:EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass... by const_cast on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @04:47PM (#44174552)
> Checks and balances don't always align with your desires.

Sure, but that's not the issue with current US administration, and it's dishonest to say that.

The issue is that checks and balances are literally, indisputably, being ignored. Ignoring court orders and doing illegal things is bad, actually. When Jackson defied Congress we at least had the decency to try to impeach his ass.

The current US administration is not only grossly incompetent and unqualified, as seen by the signal scandals, but they're also openly hostile to the democratic institutions of this country.