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Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by ReptileMan on Friday May 30, 2025 @03:51AM (#44133944)
The group dynamic changes the moment it is not single sex anymore.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by the_gipsy on Friday May 30, 2025 @05:30AM (#44134442)
Then you also need to exclude homosexuals. Do you see where this is going?
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by vladvasiliu on Friday May 30, 2025 @05:51AM (#44134532)
I don't think you need to exclude homosexuals. As a straight male, I interact with my homosexual buddies the same way I interact with my straight buddies. Women, gay or straight, interact differently, including those in whom I have no sexual interest.

If there was inappropriate behavior which wouldn't stop once called out, they would be excluded.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by the_gipsy on Friday May 30, 2025 @07:24AM (#44135066)
You specifically maybe don't, but homosexual (or bisexual) males do have sexual interest in other homo- or bisexual men. So it wouldn't be a "problem" as long as there exactly only one homosexual, or as long as they're a very small minority.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by nkrisc on Friday May 30, 2025 @05:52AM (#44134542)
No, you don’t.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by ReptileMan on Friday May 30, 2025 @06:04AM (#44134603)
No - enlighten me.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by bregma on Friday May 30, 2025 @06:41AM (#44134778)
Not to mention race. How can I be less lonely if I'm forced to be around people who don't look like me?
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by rxtexit on Friday May 30, 2025 @07:38AM (#44135160)
The irony is you are probably a white guy who has no friends who aren't white.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by ReptileMan on Friday May 30, 2025 @07:45AM (#44135199)
During the BLM riots many extreme progressive activists demanded stuff like separate graduation ceremonies. Many also demanded since october 2023 to exclude jews from pride events. So it seems that there is at least some demand in the society for racial/ethnical and sexual segregation.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by nick__m on Friday May 30, 2025 @08:20AM (#44135461)
The demands from the lunatic fringe of a mouvement should be completely ignored. "Positive" racial segregation is still racial segregation and racial segregation is racism; unlike positive discrimination, there are no intellectually honest way to frame it otherwise.

And excluding Jews because they are Jewish is antisemitism plain and simple. Excluding those that deny that Israel actions have become genocidal different, but you won't know who they are unless you talk to them and most importantly they are not necessarily Jewish !

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by Workaccount2 on Friday May 30, 2025 @10:37AM (#44136661)
Trump was the lunatic fringe, and here we are.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by UncleMeat on Friday May 30, 2025 @10:34AM (#44136632)
The "separate graduation ceremonies" were not that. A group of people from a black student group celebrating is not the same as separate graduation ceremonies. These kids also attended to the main ceremony.

I'm visibly jewish and have been attending pride events and lgbt activist events for ages. I've never even heard of what you describe.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by _DeadFred_ on Friday May 30, 2025 @01:05PM (#44138120)
Dyke March New York City has banned Zionists this year. Organizers can’t agree on what that means.

https://19thnews.org/2025/05/dyke-march-2025-new-york-city-z...

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by meheleventyone on Friday May 30, 2025 @04:41PM (#44139700)
Far from being hard to understand Zionists in this sense is not all Jews but those that support the actions of Israel in the latest conflict because of the impact on the Palestinian civilian population. I agree there is a lot of equivocation in that article though but it mostly seems to be from people that wish to soft-soap the on-going war crimes Israel is committing rather than anyone genuinely being confused by the term. Basically one side is saying 'hey we don't want people that in our eyes support genocide taking part' and the other side is ignoring that and saying 'uWu we just want a Jewish state to exists but don't look at what the only extant state is actually doing'.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by _DeadFred_ on Friday May 30, 2025 @05:57PM (#44140232)
Zionism has a definition.

political support for the creation and development of a Jewish homeland in Israel https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/Zionism

Historically the majority of jewish people fall into this definition.

So off the bat you creating your own incorrect definition proves it IS hard to understand what a ban on 'Zionists' mean. You've called me a liar for no reason previously so I won't bother responding to you beyond pointing out how flawed your starting premise is.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by meheleventyone on Saturday May 31, 2025 @06:43AM (#44143356)
You said the organizers couldn't agree on what it means. I'm just stating that doesn't seem to be true and I didn't give my definition of Zionism but what it seemed to be based on the article. Finally I used the words 'in this sense' to recognise that it was a particular, local definition. Quoting a dictionary definition doesn't change the fact that words in it can have very different meanings in different contexts. So your attack on my premise is flawed.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by _DeadFred_ on Saturday May 31, 2025 @12:46PM (#44145448)
You gave a definition of Zionism that doesn’t match its actual, established meaning. Now you’re trying to justify redefining words by niche subgroups as not being confusing.

If the organizers of the event have chosen a different definition than the one that most Jewish (and non-Jewish) attendees would reasonably expect it's a recipe for confusion and exclusion. Dismissing those who use the correct definition as irrelevant is wild. You deny their legitimacy so a political agenda can take center stage. Redefining words, excluding people, it's all super gross and 1984 AF.

You’re still wrong, and your attempt to reframe this only reinforces the article’s point. Redefining terms like Zionism confuses and erases people who actually use them in their accepted sense. Using redefined words to ban/prohibit people is gross. Especially when under it's 'plain reading' the ban is effectively a ban on the majority of Jewish people. Defending it is gross. The burden is on event organizers to communicate effectively, and that burden includes using words common/standard definitions not Orwellian redefinitions done purely to politicize a word.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by immibis on Saturday May 31, 2025 @12:06PM (#44145177)
Creating a Jewish ethnostate in Israel means kicking out everyone who isn't Jewish, or at least keeping their levels low enough they don't have any political influence, which pretty much means doing the things Israel is doing. I don't think these are significantly different definitions.
Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by _DeadFred_ on Saturday May 31, 2025 @12:40PM (#44145410)
Israel has a 20% Arab population so your first sentence makes no sense, they did not in fact 'kick out everyone who isn't jewish' and shows your comment has zero basis in reality but is instead purely propaganda.

However, the surrounding Muslim theocratic states have basically zero jews left. The majority of Israelis' are Mizrahi jewish refugees that were pushed out of the surrounding theocratic Muslim states.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by rxtexit on Friday May 30, 2025 @07:50AM (#44135225)
Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group.

Mixed groups on the other hand turn into a soap opera.

What is needed is a strong common interest that binds the group beyond these tendencies to stave off the soap opera entropy. The soap opera entropy will always increase with time though until the group dissolves.

It is still more stable though than the misogynist entropy.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by ReptileMan on Friday May 30, 2025 @08:10AM (#44135379)
>Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group.

Just not true. Men only groups are rarely misogynist, more often they are homophobic in the sense that everyone is trying to imply that everyone else is secretly gay.

There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear.

Bitching about women is minor.

On the other hand being able to overhear what my roommate and her girlfriends (early 20s) talk about - on some evenings they don't pass the Bechdel test in real life. On other evenings it usually evenly split between men, fashion, professional.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by unhappy_meaning on Friday May 30, 2025 @12:52PM (#44138007)
What on earth are you on about?

> Men only groups are rarely misogynist, more often they are homophobic in the sense that everyone is trying to imply that everyone else is secretly gay.

The rise of red pill sentiments, podcasters, and groups strive on a very misogynistic notion. The second point in that sentence is also the default in those groups.

Re:Show HN: I'm starting a social club to solve the male lon... by johnny22 on Friday May 30, 2025 @04:21PM (#44139562)
> There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear.

This is exactly what I do not want to be part of.