Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs
by lupire on Thursday May 29, 2025 @06:45PM
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Which LLMs and which versions?
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All. Of. Them. It's quite literally what they do because they are optimistic text generators. Not correct or accurate text generators.
Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs
by e3bc54b2 on Thursday May 29, 2025 @11:12PM
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This really grinds my gears. The technology is inherently faulty, but the relentless optimism of its future subtly hiding that by making it the user's mistake instead.
Oh you got a wrong answer? Did you try the new OpenAI v999? Did you prompt it correctly? Its definitely not the model, because it worked for me once last night..
Re:Human coders are still better than LLMs
by traceroute66 on Friday May 30, 2025 @06:13AM
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> it worked for me once last night..
This !
Yeah, it probably "worked for me" because they spent a gazillion hours engaging in what the LLM fanbois call "prompt engineering", but you and I would call "engaging in endless iterative hacky work-arounds until you find a prompt that works".
Unless its something extremely simple, the chances of an LLM giving you a workable answer on the first attempt is microscopic.
Most optimistic text generators do not consider repeating the stuff that was already rejected a desireable path forward. It might be the only path forward they’re aware of though.
In some contexts I got ChatGPT to answer "I don't know" when I crafted a very specific prompt about not knowing being and acceptable and preferable answer to bullshitting. But it's hit and miss, and doesn't always work; it seems LLMs simply aren't trained to model admittance of ignorance, they almost always want to give a positive and confident answer.