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Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by ETH_start on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @12:16AM (#44037734)
The way the statement "it's okay to be white" has been vilified, by associating it with racist groups, supports the narratives pushed by people like Adams.

It would help if the mainstream culture admitted that racism against white people exists too, and that it is unacceptable, as every other form of racism is.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by nielsbot on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @01:12AM (#44038013)
You have to go one level deeper. Not all racism has equal consequences and white people enjoy a privileged position in our society. Focusing on anti-white racism while we still have an overwhelming problem of racism against non-white people hurts the cause of racial equality.

Saying "it's okay to be white" is innocent statement only if you ignore any societal context around it.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by refurb on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @03:27AM (#44038746)
Either racism is bad or it’s not. Whether the consequence of it is better or worse for one group or another is irrelevant if the principle that racism is bad is adhered to.

And I’d argue the consequences aren’t that different. If someone is passed over for a job, pulled over by cops, denied the ability to purchase a house, those all have equal levels of consequence for the person on the receiving end.

I think the statement as art was brilliant. It forced those who play lip service to “all men are created equal” to put themselves and try to explain why a rather uncontroversial statement was so controversial. It was wild seeing them twist themselves into a knot trying to explain why it was so bad.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by nielsbot on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:17AM (#44048498)
> And I’d argue the consequences aren’t that different.

This is wrong. (Systemic) racism (still) exists. Someone who has natural advantages in society (white men) does not suffer the same consequences of the events you listed:

- "passed over for a job" Jobs are easier to get for white people in the US, no? - "pulled over by cops" really? - "denied the ability to purchase a house" redlining has denied a lot of wealth to black families in the US

> those all have equal levels of consequence for the person on the receiving end.

So, this is not true.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by refurb on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:34AM (#44060659)
Whether something is “more bad” is irrelevant to whether or not it “is bad”.

Whether I punch you once or twice in the face, it’s still bad, so both are against the law.

What you’re saying is “its ok to punch someone in the face once because it’s not as bad as punching them in the face twice”

Clearly an absurd position.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by anonfordays on Thursday May 22, 2025 @10:31AM (#44062442)
>Someone who has natural advantages in society (white men)

White men no longer have natural advantages. As a matter of fact the Supreme Court agreed that White and Asian males are now at a natural disadvantage.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by anonfordays on Thursday May 22, 2025 @10:28AM (#44062420)
Yup. It sad to see leftists contort themselves into loving racism as long as the target is approved by the Party, academia, the previous administration, etc. Since the clergy has approved the target, it is therefore just and moral.
Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by ETH_start on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @02:27AM (#44038399)
Disagree. All racism is unacceptable and it's not at all evident that there is less systemic racism against white people.

Example:

Participants across experiments were twenty five more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects, and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/results-...

"More than a third of white students lie about their race on college applications, survey finds"

https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/57...

Instead of trying to tally up the racism against each group to decide which group is more victimized, all forms of racism should be abolished.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by DonHopkins on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @01:53PM (#44054176)
>Instead of trying to tally up the racism against each group to decide which group is more victimized, all forms of racism should be abolished.

So you support impeaching Trump, then?

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by anonfordays on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @09:58AM (#44041790)
"The target of my racism is approved by the Party, academia, the previous administration, etc. therefore it is just."
Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by DonHopkins on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @01:36AM (#44038120)
Don't try to paint the trolls pushing the white supremacist slogan "it's okay to be white" as the victims, without any agency or responsibility for what they say.

It's not that some other mean unfair woke people people are "associating it with racist groups", it's that racist groups came up with it themselves, and actively spread it online and in the physical world, printing it on divisive inflammatory flyers that they hang up around college campuses.

That's like saying some people are unfairly associating holocaust denial and claims of white genocide with Elon Musk and Grok, when they're the ones purposefully and repeatedly saying those things out of the blue, and promoting them to a worldwide audience, systematically pushing them into public discourse when it wasn't even the topic of conversation. And they're bald faced racist lies. Nobody else is to blame for forcing them to falsely deny the holocaust or maliciously lie about white genocide in South Africa.

Of course, the fact that you consider Elon Musk to be "highly compassionate" and "motivated for deep care for others" and praise his "political activism" may go a long way towards explaining why you try to play the victim by uncritically parroting and defending white supremacist claims about reverse discrimination, and have no problem with Musk's and Grok's false claims about white genocide and holocaust denial. And how did that "political activism" work out for you? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42587067

Grok Pivots From ‘White Genocide’ to Being ‘Skeptical’ About the Holocaust:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-...

>Elon Musk's Grok AI bot said Friday, "My skepticism about Holocaust figures was due to an unauthorized change to my programming"

>Elon Musk‘s company xAI has now addressed recent strange behavior from its Grok chatbot, claiming that an “unauthorized modification” caused it to bring up the myth of “white genocide” in South Africa in response to unrelated prompts.

>Meanwhile, Grok has started to dabble in Holocaust denial, saying that it is “skeptical” of the consensus among historians that six million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust and that “numbers can be manipulated.” It has also said that there is notable “academic debate” about whether that many Jews died as a result of the Nazi genocide — but that is not true. Whether these alarming comments were the result of the same internal programming change is unclear.

>Musk in March used xAI to acquire his social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, making the AI firm its parent company. He previously introduced Grok as an integrated feature on X.

>“On May 14 at approximately 3:15 AM PST, an unauthorized modification was made to the Grok response bot’s prompt on X,” xAI announced Friday in a statement on the platform. “This change, which directed Grok to provide a specific response on a political topic, violated xAI’s internal policies and core values. We have conducted a thorough investigation and are implementing measures to enhance Grok’s transparency and reliability.” The AI firm did not specify that Grok had repeatedly invoked the idea that white people face a campaign of systematic violence in South Africa, a falsehood often promoted by Musk. The same inaccurate notion has become the pretext for the Trump administration to welcome Afrikaners, white South Africans of Dutch descent, into the U.S. as refugees supposedly fleeing persecution.

Re:Dilbert creator Scott Adams says he will die soon from sa... by ETH_start on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @02:19AM (#44038343)
Vilifying anyone complaining about racism against white people as racist is exactly what I'm referring to.