It won't require the Wi-Fi connection to operate (so definitely a reason to stick to my 12 years old appliances)

I'm not even joking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43463200

> It says options with an asterisk—including Rinse, Machine Care (self-cleaning), HalfLoad, Eco, and Delay start, are "available through Home Connect app only and depending on your model."

This is happening now.

Yeah, I mean obviously don't buy a dishwasher with a wifi connection, come on now. But that's not mandatory.

Forgot the cloud account and app only available from BigTech platforms.

Don’t buy—well just like cars they are taking that less-profitable choice away.

Funny enough, that’s on the low end Bosch dishwasher. Their 800 series (which is essentially 2x the price) has no such restrictions because I guess they can “afford” to put the extra buttons on it.

not miele

IoT, and in the near future, arms for self loading and unloading. Who knows what advancement in UI will happen? If we knew what they were beforehand, we'd be doing then already.

For example, the microwave. Older microwaves have a cumbersome enter time, hit start procedure. Newer microwaves also have a "quick start" button for 30 seconds which you can just press four times to get it to go for two minutes, or enter the time if you need it to go for a while. Hardly the stuff most people will replace a microwave for, but definitely a feature expected of newer microwaves.

As far as dishwashers, there are also styling changes to consider - the white plastic of the 80's looks dated now and a chrome front looks modern. who knows what 10 more years will bring, stylistically? You may not be stylish, but for some, that's their bread and butter.

> For example, the microwave. Older microwaves have a cumbersome enter time, hit start procedure. Newer microwaves also have a "quick start" button for 30 seconds which you can just press four times to get it to go for two minutes, or enter the time if you need it to go for a while. Hardly the stuff most people will replace a microwave for, but definitely a feature expected of newer microwaves.

How old are we talking about? My microwave is exactly like that, and it is about 15 years old if not more.

Yeah, I have one like that from 2010-2013.

I have a rotating knob on the micro wave, no manual digital input although it's only a few years old. Fwiw it could be a decade or two old

And I am happy with it. Pretty much prefer it to using buttons.

Just rotate it to about 30, done.

We have a pretty modern one that is a hybrid of these things. It has a knob that is a rotary encoder to quickly spin up a digital time, so it's become "flick of the wrist, START" to hit times I use frequently like 25s, 2m, and 2m50s at full power.

It also has the instant 30s button which my wife seems to prefer to the rotating input.

>Older microwaves have a cumbersome enter time, hit start procedure. Newer microwaves also have a "quick start" button for 30 seconds which you can just press four times to get it to go for two minutes

QS-QS-QS-QS-Start

2-0-0-Start

"Cumbersome"?

it's qs-qs-qs-qs, and yes, Americans, home of the Hot Pocket are that lazy.

Lazy, or more efficient? If you type a time and hit start, you're not microwaving until you're done with all the buttons. If you hit "QS" a bunch to reach the duration instead, the microwave starts cooking immediately on the first press. Your nuggets get done a whole second earlier!

Mine is "time cook"-2-0-0-start. Pressing "2" to start is some dumb preset program.

But that's not the point, it's usually not pleasant to find and press the buttons on the microwaves machine. Mashing the corner button a bunch of times is a nicer experience.

If it weren't the start button doing double duty as "+30 seconds", I would put my microwave in a more accessible location - space I rather put other stuff in.

> IoT

Has no place in a dishwasher.

> and in the near future, arms for self loading and unloading

Pure fantasy for now; if it's ever not pure fantasy, go ahead and replace the dishwasher, I suppose?

> Older microwaves have a cumbersome enter time, hit start procedure. Newer microwaves also have a "quick start" button for 30 seconds which you can just press four times to get it to go for two minutes, or enter the time if you need it to go for a while.

... I'm 40, and every digital-control microwave I have ever used has that 30 second quick start button. So, okay, maybe that was an advance in microwave UX in, like, the 80s, but it was apparently the last advance.

Sidenote, I wish my washing machine had wifi, it'd allow us to see what settings our housekeeper is using and why our clothes age so much quicker than when we were doing the laundry ourselves.

They're probably using fabric "softener".