At the end of the day, it's your job to deliver value. If a tool allows you to deliver more faster, without sacrificing quality, it's your responsibility to use that tool. You'll just have to make sure you can fully take responsibility for the end deliverables. And these tools are not only useful for writing the final code

> these tools are not only useful for writing the final code

This sparked a thought in how a large part of the job is often the work needed to demonstrate impact. I think this aspect is often overlooked by some of the good engineers not yet taking advantage of the AI tooling. LLM loops may not yet be good enough to produce shippable code by themselves, but they sure are capable to help reduce the overhead of these up and out communicative tasks.

you mean like hacking a first POC with AI to sell a product/feature internally to get buy-in from the rest of the team before actually shipping production version of it?

It's actually not. My job description does not say "deliver value" and nobody talks about my work like that so I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

> without sacrificing quality

Right..

> it's your responsibility to use that tool

Again, it's actually not. It's my responsibility to do my job, not to make my boss' - or his boss' - car nicer. I know that's what we all know will create "job security" but let's not conflate these things. My job is to do my end of the bargain. My boss' job is paying me for doing that. If he deems it necessary to force me to use AI bullshit, I will of course, but it is definitely not my responsibility to do so autonomously.

> At the end of the day, it's your job to deliver value. If a tool allows you to deliver more faster, without sacrificing quality

I guess that's LLMs ruled out then

people can still write code by hand for fun

people who want to make software that enables people to accomplish [task] will get the software they need quicker.

I do feel that way, so I'll still do bespoke creation when I want to. But this is like a sewing machine. My job is to design fashion, and a whole line of it. I can do that when a machine is making the stitches instead of my using a needle in hand.

We (dare I say we instead of I) like talking to computers and AI is another computer you talk with. So I am still all excited. It's people that I want to avoid :)

I think the death of our craft is around the corner. It doesn't fill me with joy.

Software engineering requires a fair amount of intelligence, so if these tools ever get to replacement levels of quality then it's not just developers that will be out of jobs. ARC-AGI-2, the countless anecdotes from professionals I've seen across the industry, and personal experience all very clearly point to a significant gap between the tools that exist today and general intelligence. I would recommend keeping an eye on improvements just because of the sheer capital investments going into it, but I won't be losing any sleep waiting for the rapture.

How so? I see it as more bugs around the corner.

I see it differently. Like a kid with legos.

We had to tinker piece by piece to build a miniature castle. Over many hours.

Now I can tinker concept by concept, and build much larger castles, much faster. Like waving a wand, seeing my thoughts come to fruition in near real time.

No vanity lost in my opinion. Possibly more to be gained.

I think there's a disconnect between what you and the person you're replying to are defining as "tinkering". Your conception of it seems more focused on the end product when, to use your analogy, the original comment seems unconcerned with the size of castles.

If you derive enjoyment from actually assembling the castle, you lose out on that by using the wand that makes it happen instantly. Sure wand's castles may be larger, but you don't put a Lego castle together for the finished product.

Factorio blueprints in action.

I think the bigger issue with this is that the number of developer jobs will shrink.

> build much larger castles, much faster

See that never was the purpose.. going bigger and faster, towards what exactly? Chaos? By the way we never managed to fully tackle manual software development by trained professionals and we now expect Shangri-La by throwing everything and the kitchen sink into giant inscrutable matrices. This time by amateurs as well. I'm sure this will all turn out very well and very, very productive.

While I share your reservations, how many millions of people have experienced the exact same disruption to their jobs and industries because of software that we, software engineers, have created? It’s a bit too late, and a touch hypocritical, for us to start complaining about technology now it is disrupting our way of working in a way we don’t like.

I used to think this way too. Here are a few ways I've tried to re frame things that has helped.

1. When I work on side projects and use AI, sometimes I wonder "what's the point if I am just copy / pasting code? I am not learning anything" but what I have come to realize is building apps with AI assistance is the skill that I am learning, rather than writing code per se as it was a few years ago.

2. I work in high scale distributed computing, so I am still presented with ample opportunities to get very low level, which I love. I am not sure how much I care about writing code per se anymore. Working with AI still is tinkering, it has not changed that much for me. It is quite different, but the underlying fun parts are still present.