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Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @05:37AM (#43935191)
I had a reddit account permanently banned for saying something to the effect that a certain out of control billionaire could be dealt with by launching him into space in an electric vehicle that one of his companies manufactures.

Apparently "reddit legal" thought that was a credible threat. I find that strangely encouraging.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by verzali on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:46AM (#43935771)
Reddit once banned my account for "report abuse". The content I had reported was then removed by them for being against their rules. No amount of appeals could get a response from them.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by lynx97 on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:44AM (#43935379)
Reads like a good decision on the side of Reddit. If you can't see how this type of statement is not OK, even after the fact, shows banning you was the right decision.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by Macha on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:12AM (#43935553)
I can understand the motivation for acting on death threats like someone claiming they would like to stab another person. Who knows how plausible that is? Without knowing much about the poster, you kind of have to assume the most plausible interpretation in a lot of settings.

Launching someone in a rocket to space is clearly beyond the reach of any single individual. It's also not particularly violent in the scheme of things. It's clearly intended to be hyperbole, and hyperbole against a public figure is common. Musk himself, despite his thin skin, has often said much worse, I guess his ban from Twitter should be coming any day now?

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:16AM (#43935574)
Thanks, you expressed my position well.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:14AM (#43935561)
The bootlicker perspective is uninteresting because it’s entirely programmed. Have you ever had an original thought?
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by Cesura on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:26AM (#43935643)
Do you read French history and find yourself sympathetic to the plight of Marie Antoinette?
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by Philpax on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:17AM (#43935580)
How many people do you think Elon Musk has indirectly killed as a result of his actions, especially through his work with DOGE? I would not make such a threat myself, but I can certainly see why one would be inspired to.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:22AM (#43935620)
My comment was not a threat. A threat is a statement of intent.

However, the lawyers reddit employs are apparently similarly confused on that point.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by mschuster91 on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:49AM (#43935416)
Well... getting rid of too powerful people by means of executing them has been a staple of societies across all cultures for millennia.

The fact that people openly cheer on re-introducing this, or on those following through with such plans (Luigi), is just showing how fed up wide masses of society are - and Reddit's admins have been hellbent on quenching even verbal forms of dissatisfaction.

The problem is, all that does is keeping pressure bottling up and eventually, if the issues with inequality and absurd amounts of power grabbing aren't dealt with, the explosion will be much harder than if people had a relatively safe way of voicing their dissent.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by db48x on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:19AM (#43935596)
No, mostly it just reminds us that ordinary people are mostly evil. At best they’re purely self–interested. There’s no dissent there.

There’s a good book called “Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland” by Christopher Browning which explores this. The Reserve Police Battalions were created by Germany to police captured territory, but they were seen by ordinary Germans as a way to avoid the war and conscription. The members were not Nazis, and almost to a man they joined because it was an honorable way to avoid participating in the evils happening all around them. They were only trained for ordinary honest police work, but in the end many of them were being used to hunt down and murder Jews. They were sent out into forests to comb them for underground shelters. They rounded up Jews and herded them into mass graves.

Almost none of them complained or tried to avoid participating. No one punished them if they didn’t participate. No one coerced them into participating. A few asked for and received transfers, if I recall correctly. The best that can be said about the rest is that many of them are believed not to have actually fired their weapons. Some of them probably went the whole war without actually killing anyone, technically. They were just assigned the job so they did it.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:24AM (#43935634)
You’re cherry-picking, generalizing without any basis, and apparently projecting.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by db48x on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:29AM (#43935661)
If you say so then it must be true.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:40AM (#43935720)
The first paragraph of your previous comment states some conclusions that you've assumed.

Your second paragraph gives a single example which is apparently supposed to support that conclusion. That's a definitional example of cherry-picking and hasty generalization.

The projection comes in because it's difficult to see how you would reach those conclusions from the available evidence, unless you're projecting.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by db48x on Friday May 09, 2025 @08:10AM (#43935883)
No, I didn’t quote all available evidence in an internet comment. I’d never finish, if I did that. Instead I picked one salient but infrequently encountered body of evidence. I recommend reading the book.

And if you want more evidence than that, then I suggest reading about Stanley Milgram’s famous experiments. A little quote:

    Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become
    patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions
    incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively
    few people have the resources needed to resist authority.
I think that if you want yet more evidence then you can probably acquire it yourself. Personally I must sleep.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @08:19AM (#43935948)
That "quote all available evidence" line is disingenuous. A substantial argument doesn't require that, but you didn't make any argument.

If you're unaware of all the criticism of Milgram's experiments, then you have some studying to do before we can have a meaningful discussion about this.

While you're catching up on the history of social psychology since 1961, you might want to ask yourself why it is that you're so eager to believe that "ordinary people are mostly evil". Do you have a religious background, perhaps? "Original sin" and all that?

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by danaris on Friday May 09, 2025 @08:35AM (#43936053)
Anyone who takes the Milgram Experiments or the Stanford Prison Experiment seriously needs their head examining.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by db48x on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:38PM (#43940662)
I disagree. There has been some criticism of his experiments, but don’t forget that the experiments were successfully replicated many times, by different researchers and in different countries. Don’t forget either that Milgram was surprised by the results; his advance prediction was that Americans would comply with authority far less often and that he would have to repeat the test with Germans to see a high level of compliance. Instead there was essentially no variation between the nationalities that were tested. If he had been deliberately faking the data then that would not have happened. He also repeated the experiment a number of times with varying circumstances. His best results were that he could get both more compliance out of his test subjects as well as less compliance by controlling how closely related the test subjects were to the supposed victims. People who already knew the supposed victim were much less likely to comply than strangers. This suggests that he was measuring a real effect.

Some of the criticisms are valid, and the results to not reflect well on us as people. The 33% of people who can keep to their stated ethics in the face of authority probably have a really hard time believing that 66% of people cannot. To them it seems easy and obvious that you just don’t violate your ethics. But imagine it this way: for hundreds of thousands of years humans lived in tiny tribes wandering in the wilderness. Failure to heed the orders of the tribe’s leaders would have been a virtual death sentence for most of that time. That environment literally breeds for people who obey even when they think it’s a bad idea. That’s apparently not long enough for the trait to have become universal, thankfully.

I don’t know about the TPSE though. I didn’t cite it either.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by lynx97 on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:58AM (#43935474)
Extremism is bad, no matter if it left or right-sided. I have turned away from the left with a huge amount of disgust since I started to realize how hatred is rampant on both sides. Wanting someone dead, and saying so, it a warning sign. Are we supposed to go back to "an eye for an eye"? I for one are happy this "staple" is a thing from the past. Cheering for it coming back is horryfing behaviour.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by Karsteski on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:15AM (#43935565)
You're lucky we have the luxury of such opinions like yours. With the way the world is going towards extreme financial inequality, and with the US becoming more hostile to other nations, I suspect that opinion will become harder and harder to justify for many people.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by antonvs on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:20AM (#43935603)
> You're lucky we have the luxury of such opinions like yours.

“Civility” is the first recourse of the privileged.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by mschuster91 on Friday May 09, 2025 @07:32AM (#43935680)
> Wanting someone dead, and saying so, it a warning sign. Are we supposed to go back to "an eye for an eye"? I for one are happy this "staple" is a thing from the past. Cheering for it coming back is horryfing behaviour.

That's my point. When people see no other way out of resolving the exploding wealth and power inequality crisis than violence, it shows that democracy is on the verge of failure.

It's horrifying, agreed, but it happening is completely understandable IMHO given that democratic systems seem to be completely and thoroughly corrupted by big money.

It's no longer a question if open violence erupts, it's a question of when - and Western governments all seem to ignore the issue and show zero intent to actually do something to ease the life of the wide masses. The system is headed straight for collapse.

Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by immibis on Saturday May 10, 2025 @08:17AM (#43945046)
Extremism is the historical norm. Democracy was created as a nicer alternative to extremism. Everyone prefers democracy to extremism. If democracy is destroyed, we go back to extremism. Simple as.
Re:Losing my Meta account because of release delays by immibis on Friday May 09, 2025 @06:19AM (#43935247)
Reddit's been way out of control on this and I'm surprised people still use it at this point. Though the vast majority of Reddit content is posted by bots to manipulate users - so maybe they don't. Reddit is a Dead Internet existing here and now in front of our eyes.

In addition to platform-wide bans most popular subreddits also use subreddit bans to create false impressions of consensus.

Last scandal I heard was they banned people who upvoted memes about Mario's green brother.