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Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by mschuster91 on Thursday May 08, 2025 @05:41AM (#43924611)
> "Identity theft" is a term coined by banks to try to make it sound like random people should have to deal with the fallout of the banks' bad identity verification practices.

The problem isn't the banks, the problem is that unlike Europe where in most countries it's commonplace for everyone to have a government-issued ID document, the US does not have that requirement and so companies of all sorts abuse documents not meant for that purpose like SSNs or driver licenses that can be trivially forged.

Banks can't invent security out of thin air when a significant part of the US population believes that mandating possession of one is a surefire way into a dictatorship or whatnot.

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by kasey_junk on Thursday May 08, 2025 @08:21AM (#43925422)
About 3% of the us adult population doesn’t have government issued photo id. So if the issue is forgery say so, it’s not a lack of id or a cultural norm against it.
Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by username332211 on Thursday May 08, 2025 @09:09AM (#43925777)
How many billions would a major bank loose in a lawsuit, if they did the sensible thing and refused to deal with 3% of the population?
Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by trelane on Thursday May 08, 2025 @10:07AM (#43926226)
Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by kasey_junk on Thursday May 08, 2025 @10:06AM (#43926223)
4.2% of US _households_ are unbanked. Banks refuse customers for many less extreme reasons than “can’t verify identity” which is in fact a requirement for them with all of their federal and state regulators.
Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by nobody9999 on Thursday May 08, 2025 @10:14AM (#43926281)
>How many billions would a major bank loose in a lawsuit, if they did the sensible thing and refused to deal with 3% of the population?

Zero. Because FINCEN/KYC[0] laws in the US mandate identification for all customers.

Which means that at least 3% of the populations is "unbanked"[1]:

   Some reasons a person might not have a bank account 
   include:

   Lack of access via a nearby bank branch or mobile phone

   Minimum balance fees

   Distrust of the banking system, typically due to lack of transparency    
   regarding fees and deposit timing[1]

   No access to government-issued ID, which is required to open a bank account

   To avoid delinquent debts, such as creditors seizing the account in 
   judgements, or the government collecting back taxes or child support

[0] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/k/knowyourclient.asp

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbanked

Edit: Fixed subject/verb agreement (laws/mandate)/fixed quote formatting.

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by MrBrobot on Friday May 09, 2025 @01:12PM (#43939057)
Further reference for the ID requirements:

https://www.bankhelp.gov/help-topics/bank-accounts/required-...

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by mschuster91 on Thursday May 08, 2025 @10:25AM (#43926361)
> About 3% of the us adult population doesn’t have government issued photo id.

Add on top of that undocumented people or the issues surrounding the Native American population and their partial autonomy rights, and it becomes a mess very very quickly because it won't stay at "about three percent".

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by nullc on Thursday May 08, 2025 @11:26AM (#43927036)
What? US banks won't bank you if you don't have 27 distinct forms of government ID and a recent rectal exam.

And then they have someone with an incomprehensible accent in a call center that probably also runs scam calls calling you up and asking for your password as part of their ordinary SOP.

They deploy fancy new tech like "verifying your voice" with some AI crap while simultaneously not allowing your password to have more than 8 characters. (Which must have two symbols but if one of them is ` you'll experience random spontaneous logouts).

There may be many causes of the disaster that is bank security, people not having ID is absolutely not part of it.