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Re:EPA Plans to Shut Down the Energy Star Program by timr on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @10:01AM (#43915825)
You're fixated on the absurdity of the doorbell example. It was intended to be absurd. That's the point: reductio ad absurdum. Government bureaucracy is squeezing efficiency out of places where it really doesn't make much difference, because that's what bureaucracies do.

Said differently: precisely how "efficient" does EnergyStar need to make dishwashers, or microwaves, or whatever else, before the gains in theoretical "efficiency" are offset by the compensating behaviors of the users working around the brokenness of the system?

I can replace your microwave with an easybake oven, powered by LED lamp, and it'll be "efficient" in terms of operating current draw, but...

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Re:EPA Plans to Shut Down the Energy Star Program by justinrubek on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @11:01AM (#43916623)
I don't think the examples you are giving are taking your argument where you want it to be. Nobody has replaced a microwave with an easy bake oven. They aren't the same thing at all, and nobody is proposing such a thing nor the equivalent anywhere else.
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Re:EPA Plans to Shut Down the Energy Star Program by timr on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @12:15PM (#43917547)
Maybe not, but they replaced dishwashers that used to take 1 hour to clean a load with ones that take 4+ hours.
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Re:EPA Plans to Shut Down the Energy Star Program by milkshakes on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @03:32PM (#43919756)
except, by your own admission, nothing has been replaced?

you can still push the quick wash button.

the only difference, is that the default choice trades off cleaning time for energy savings.

what is your argument against consumers having a choice?

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Re:EPA Plans to Shut Down the Energy Star Program by sjsdaiuasgdia on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @10:16AM (#43916006)
You think improving efficiency of a 1000W+ appliance that runs for 2hrs at a time is not making much difference?

Don't know what to tell you on that...

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