Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar like this. We want curious conversation here, and that requires a certain level of relaxation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm going to sit this one out going forward.

It's tough stuff, I know.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. These are fraught issues and we need to be flexible with each other.

Please don’t allow such posts on HN at all; they belong on X

I hear you, but it's the other way around: when such posts appear, commenters need to be aware of their emotional reactions and regulate them in a way that respects the spirit of the community: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

This of course is far from easy, but it's what we all (including the admins) need to do.

The rest of the threads in this post are all over the place.

Maybe so, but we need you to focus on your own contributions—making sure that they're within the site guidelines and the intended spirit of HN.

What is the intended spirit of HN?

Hypocrisy?

Are you implying that Indian nationalism has nothing to do with 1) its conflicts with Pakistan 2) the entire Kashmiri situation ?

Especially with India's current government? Not that Pakistan is any less nationalist, just that claiming that one side is just fighting terror here is a bit crazy. It's ironic since it's a very colonial/British type of rationalization

"My side is peaceful and is just fighting terror while the other side is full of fanatical nationalists" is always a very convenient propaganda tool though so I won't blame you for using it

Are your sources mostly Indian sources? Do you think those are somehow less biased than whatever sources I use?

Also you can check my post history if you really want to, I always call out "we are just fighting terror" arguments.

But still, I hope you realize that what India sees as terrorism in this case (which means Kashmiri separatism, which again I agree is mostly a Pakistani funded thing) is very tied to Indian nationalism.

Obviously the Kashmir is used by Pakistan as a way to destabilize its opponent (they don't particularly care about Kashmiri emancipation lol). But India would never recognize any form of separatism (peaceful or violent) from the Kashmir anyways, and will label it as terrorism anyways regardless. Just like the British did to justify putting down any rebellion in the British Raj for example.

Now, India has obvious the right to protect its national integrity but it still makes said war against terror incredibly nationalistic, since terror is (broadly) defined as anything that goes against national unity.

I said I'll refrain from replying in this post anymore (apologies dang) but I'll just close it with this at the risk doxxing myself as I may have mentioned the following in another forum.

> But India would never recognize any form of separatism (peaceful or violent) from the Kashmir anyways, and will label it as terrorism anyways regardless

It was never limited to within kashmir. Other parts of India were also attacked over the years.

> But still, I hope you realize that what India sees as terrorism in this case (which means Kashmiri separatism, which again I agree is mostly a Pakistani funded thing) is very tied to Indian nationalism.

> since terror is defined as anything that goes against national unity.

I don't care or subscribe to how Indian or western media defines terrorism. If you see yourselves as freedom-fighter deal with the supposed occupying military force not its citizens. For me terrorism is just any deliberate attack aimed to harm innocent civilians.

I've missed becoming a victim of terror attack that killed atleast 40 people because I was late by mere 15 mins. It took long time to recover from that "What If". No citizen should fear stepping out in their own country. That is what terrorism is for me.

You should probably sit this one out like you claimed you will be doing.