News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by rickdeckard on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:48AM (#43895707)
(They also did the Soundtrack for Tron:Legacy, basically their fifth studio album)

Anyway, I keep remembering how panned 'Human After All' was, and how bad the reviews were because the album was too "mechanical" and was "missing the warmth of House", while this is EXACTLY how the genre evolved in the years to come and none of those music experts saw this.

Many journalists did a retrospective of it a few years later and admitted that they misjudged it.

It's not that Daft Punk drove the industry in this direction, the album wasn't well-received by most at that time. They showed the destination of a journey while people didn't even realize they are traveling...

In the end, it appears that 'Random Access Memories' is one of their least innovative and "lasting" albums. It's probably their most successful one, the most complex to conceptualize and produce, but IMO it has the least unique character of all their productions.

Looking at the whole picture, the product of "Random Access Memories" is less the music, but the duo celebrating the process of production itself...

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by bongodongobob on Monday May 05, 2025 @10:51AM (#43895743)
Random Access Memories was such a letdown. It's an OK disco album that doesn't innovate at all. Masterful recording, it sounds great of course, but it didn't take any risks. I listened to it twice and that was it.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by spcebar on Monday May 05, 2025 @12:15PM (#43896636)
RAM brought back that funky sound which had been completely absent from contemporary dance music. It was a revival of old elements, mixed with modern electronic sound. A masterful mingling of elements of the past and the future coming together to form something not quite as good as either, but listenable and danceable, and most importantly impactful, because after that album there was a wave of artists emulating that sound. We wouldn't have gotten Uptown Special if we hadn't gotten Random Access Memories. That's my feeling on it anyway.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by rickdeckard on Monday May 05, 2025 @11:13AM (#43895972)
Exactly, fully agree. If it would have been released as a Pharrell Williams Album "produced by Daft Punk", it woul have been met with different expectations.

And especially now it would perfectly blend with other Pharrell Williams Albums (i.e. "Happy" could have been on "Random Access Memories" without standing out at all...)

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by mzs on Monday May 05, 2025 @01:58PM (#43897690)
Guess you didn't listen to it on shuffle. There are multiple stories to be discovered depending on the order of tracks, like the one about the alien robot that crash lands on earth and strives to experience humanity. The album is RANDOM ACCESS Memories after all.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by maplant on Monday May 05, 2025 @02:26PM (#43897940)
The stories are maybe 1/10000th the importance of the quality of the music, which is simply Ok.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by _DeadFred_ on Monday May 05, 2025 @12:52PM (#43897060)
Tron:Legacy still lives in my head. I'm still chasing the music I imagined after seeing the movie/hearing the soundtrack. Also half of Daft Punk Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo's work in Kavinsky’s 'Nightcall'.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by morsch on Monday May 05, 2025 @01:21PM (#43897311)
Check out Tron: Legacy Reconfigured if you haven't (you probably have).
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by DHPersonal on Monday May 05, 2025 @01:48PM (#43897593)
The composer who assisted them also worked with M83 for the Oblivion soundtrack, which I think is also pretty spectacular.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by marcedwards on Monday May 05, 2025 @07:27PM (#43900378)
The Oblivion soundtrack is amazing! Love it. I’ve listened to it so many times. I haven’t seen the movie yet. I should do that.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @03:49AM (#43902683)
Ah. Now it starts to make more sense.

Yes, both soundtracks are amazing. But I wonder how amazing they'd have been without his input.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by sneak on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:17PM (#43900698)
His name is Joseph Trapanese and I always wondered who worked with them on the album (for basically no credit) because, while I adore Daft Punk, very few pure dance music producers have the traditional-music/composer chops to pull off a film score.

I didn’t know until you pointed it out that he worked on Kosinski’s other film too. There are definitely some huge similarities, especially with the end title tracks.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by marcedwards on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:24PM (#43901013)
You may already know this, but Junkie XL/Tom Holkenborg has done some great film soundtracks, too.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by dfxm12 on Monday May 05, 2025 @01:43PM (#43897540)
how bad the reviews were because the album was too "mechanical" and was "missing the warmth of House"

FWIW, I wouldn't call myself a particular fan of house or dance music in general. This mechanicalness and lack of warmth is probably what I like about the album.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by swivelmaster on Monday May 05, 2025 @03:49PM (#43898753)
The reason that I dislike Human After All is that, quite simply, it's not fun.

It's dour. It's depressing. And it's repetitive in a way that feels tiresome; You can't dance to most of it or even really tap your foot to it.

What happened was that Daft Punk challenged themselves to make an album in six weeks and ended up with a showcase for a few neat guitar pedals and two fun songs (Robot Rock and Technologic), one of which consists almost entirely of a barely-changed sample (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFwGQAEYqHs).

Electronic music certainly evolved in ways that made it less warm, but that didn't make it less fun. Case in point, Skrillex's early music is weird and playful despite relying on 'cold' synth sounds. Human After All is just cold.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by coldtea on Monday May 05, 2025 @06:28PM (#43900068)
>And it's repetitive in a way that feels tiresome; You can't dance to most of it or even really tap your foot to it.

Being robotic and repeatitive never stopped people dancing like crazy to techno all night. In fact, that's its very allure.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by sneak on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:14PM (#43900688)
Not to be that guy, but techno is only repetitive if you are a) listening to boring/uninspired techno (the same kind of complaint being leveled here against HAA), or b) not paying attention.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by coldtea on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @05:30AM (#43913700)
or (c) done right
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by marcedwards on Wednesday May 07, 2025 @07:36PM (#43921565)
Agreed! Also, context matters. How and where you’re listening matters.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by swivelmaster on Monday May 05, 2025 @07:25PM (#43900367)
"in a way that feels tiresome" is the operative phrase here. I like the throwaway tracks on Homework that are twice as long and half as interesting more than I like most of Human After All. They're fun.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by l33tbro on Monday May 05, 2025 @06:42PM (#43900143)
Fine not to like it for those reasons. But maybe try listen to it next time from a more psych, garage, or post-rock perspective. They were influenced very early on by groups like Spacemen 3, and I see HAA as them doing something big and dirgey in this kind of school. I even recall the liner notes saying only "all guitars by Daft Punk".
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by swivelmaster on Monday May 05, 2025 @07:27PM (#43900380)
The sound design is certainly interesting from the perspective of psych, garage, post-rock, etc., but the sound design doesn't make up for the songwriting. You need both. Or at least, I do.
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by l33tbro on Monday May 05, 2025 @09:34PM (#43901056)
I think it's a just a more experimental record. The lack of songwriting is kind of the thesis of the entire album, right? (technology, repetition, etc) It's aims are not to be Digital Love or their more conventional song-based stuff. If anything, it's almost a return to their origins like some of the more techno-orientated tracks on Homework.

That's what I meant with what it has in common with garage and psych. Not the textures or sounds, but the relentlessly experimental approach to convention. Not saying it is perfectly executes, but I think this what it is meant to be.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by swivelmaster on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @12:05AM (#43901715)
What you’re describing is an album that’s more fun to think about than it is to listen to!

It definitely has a theme, but unfortunately as executed it’s basically “what if we defied convention by using live instruments and making a shitty album?”

When you bring up psychedelic, experimental post-rock, I want to mention that one of my favorite bands is Battles. They’re a good example of what you can do when you defy convention!

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by l33tbro on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @01:08AM (#43901981)
Ha. Fair, but music that makes us think more than feel isn't necessarily always a terrible thing. John Cage, Steve Reich, even Battles is pretty intellectual in a way (it's quite literally math rock lol).

I guess we like different artists for different reasons, and you like Daft Punk in boogie mode. Which I definitely get, as it is their strong suit. But I just think this is album is a bit of an anomaly in their catalogue and might require having to unlearn them a bit to dig it.

Their live album Alive 1997 would have to be my favourite of theirs btw. But I don't hate Human After All as many other fans do.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by swivelmaster on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @01:08PM (#43907380)
Honestly, I used to focus much more on how objectively interesting music was. I got into Frank Zappa and started down the very deep rabbit hole of his discography, and eventually realized that I really loved some of it and the rest was just... not enjoyable.

Speaking as someone who has been writing music for quite a long time, writing something that is objectively interesting (by being complex or unusual) is much, much easier than writing something that is just plain entertaining.

I think there's always something to be said for pushing boundaries, and I love experiencing any art or entertainment that makes me think "oh shit, I didn't know you could do that." But even then, that doesn't make it good or enjoyable, just interesting or thought-provoking. They're not mutually exclusive, but they also aren't necessarily correlated either.

Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by marcedwards on Monday May 05, 2025 @08:22PM (#43900725)
I really, really like Human After All. It’s probably their second most cohesive album, given how much they used the DigiTech Talker and DigiTech Synth Wah all over it. (Second to Random Access Memories in terms of being cohesive.)
Re:The vocal effects of Daft Punk by moomin on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @07:59AM (#43904102)
I have a standard joke about Random Access Memories that, although I'm not saying that Daft Punk contributed nothing to Get Lucky, I'm saying that if _I_ made a record with Niles Rodgers and Pharrell Williams it would be a top 10 hit as well.

R.A.M. is more that they'd decided to finish and made one last album that was as much fun as possible. It's a bit like "Accelerate" by REM in that respect.