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Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by bee_rider on Sunday May 04, 2025 @03:12PM (#43888761)
It is really ridiculous that we’ve allowed all this kernel level spyware bullshit in the interest of something so frivolous as video game fairness.

Matchmaking seemed like a neat idea in, like, 2007. In retrospect, it has damaged the industry substantially. All the oxygen has been sucked out of the community server space, etiquette is non-existent, and the aforementioned spyware.

Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by unclad5968 on Sunday May 04, 2025 @03:37PM (#43888945)
Then don't play those video games. Seems simple to me. Community servers are doing fine in games where that makes sense, Minecraft for example. Counter strike has community servers too and people cheat there all the time.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by johnnyanmac on Sunday May 04, 2025 @03:42PM (#43888989)
I don't and won't. But it seems fair to miss the old days of your mall and board game shop in response to the torn down remains you abandoned.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by squigz on Sunday May 04, 2025 @05:38PM (#43889798)
Except it's not a matter of community servers not being supported in games "because it doesn't make sense" - there are plenty of games where private community servers would be beneficial, but all we get is online matchmaking that gets shut down when the company decides it's done.

Pretty unfair to paint this as the users choice when the companies are taking our choices away.

Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by giancarlostoro on Sunday May 04, 2025 @03:14PM (#43888773)
I refuse to buy a ton of games because they are hot garbage these days. Its pretty obvious what gamers want and they will shower their money at it. Look at Oblivion remastered. It had bare minimum marketing if you can even claim it had any marketing.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by johnnyanmac on Sunday May 04, 2025 @03:44PM (#43889008)
Tbf, a part of the issues causing since rampant cheating comes from the fact that those Riot games are indeed "what gamers want". There's definitely a divide in community between single player darlings like BGS's output and these "free" competitive service games like League or Apex or whatnot.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by giancarlostoro on Sunday May 04, 2025 @10:37PM (#43891495)
My point being, a lot of games seem to disable Linux due to cheating concerns. They get none of my money. Rust can sit there and gather rust in my steam library until the end of time.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by johnnyanmac on Monday May 05, 2025 @11:34AM (#43896194)
Okay. I sympathize but you're the literal 1% of the target market for most games. Devs will take that risk.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by snkzxbs on Sunday May 04, 2025 @05:44PM (#43889839)
If you think fairness in videogame competitions is frivolous then do not participate in them. Is it frivolous to not want dopers in cycling competitions?
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by ndriscoll on Sunday May 04, 2025 @06:11PM (#43890040)
As someone who doesn't participate in those, your comparison seems poor to me. Like my mom asked a while back if I'd get into valorant with her and my sister on weekends sometime, but I'm not going to dual boot or buy another computer just for this game. Why do they require rootkits for casual play? It'd be like bicycle manufacturers subjecting you to drug tests and access to random home inspections to ride around your neighborhood.

If you need to protect competitive play, keep it to actual competitions/make it optional for free play. I'm not giving you unrestricted access to my brokerage account, all of my files, all of my emails/text messages, etc. (which root access on my computer has) so you can prevent cheating in a Sunday night video game.

Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by snkzxbs on Sunday May 04, 2025 @07:41PM (#43890570)
That’s fair. Don’t play then. In the meantime the overwhelming majority of us will enjoy the game with a minimal amount of cheaters, which is what we desire.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by wrren on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @06:27AM (#43903497)
You don't need a driver to read that kind of data anyway, so your concerns are moot. Once you install any application on your PC, there's not a lot that it can't access.
Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by ndriscoll on Tuesday May 06, 2025 @08:31AM (#43904348)
It's super easy to run games as a user without access to important data. It's possible you could make that completely seamless with bwrap and gamescope for an embedded session, but I haven't looked much into that.

Of course no security tools work if the game is root.

Re:How Riot Games is fighting the war against video game hac... by bee_rider on Sunday May 04, 2025 @08:50PM (#43890954)
> Is it frivolous to not want dopers in cycling competitions?

There are a couple reasons to care about doping in professional sports, that don’t apply here.

First off, these matchmaking games are not real professional competitions. It is more like a pickup game; the stakes are essentially zero. Nobody cares if you dope for your pickup games or your weekend bike rides for friends (other than that that would be a ridiculous thing to do of course).

Second, professional athletes are celebrities. Abusing performance enhancing drugs sets a bad example for the kids watching. Because most people playing matchmaking games aren’t celebrities, they aren’t setting a bad example. And anyway, cheating in videogames has no side effects.

> If you think fairness in videogame competitions is frivolous then do not participate in them.

I mostly don’t. But I can spot wasted engineering effort when I see it, and will continue to call it out.