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Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by OsrsNeedsf2P on Friday May 02, 2025 @02:20AM (#43866710)
They're also more expensive, so cities buy fewer of them, leading to more cars on the road, worsening the problem
Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by mg on Friday May 02, 2025 @02:51AM (#43866907)
Only more expensive in terms of the initial purchase price. Maintenance and energy costs are much lower than for a gasoline bus.
Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by snkzxbs on Friday May 02, 2025 @04:58AM (#43867592)
Until you have to change the battery a few years later and it’s cheaper to buy a new bus.
Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by bbarnett on Friday May 02, 2025 @05:51AM (#43867876)
Actually, this is an interesting point.

Batteries tend to have a max charge/discharge cycle. Unlike a consumer car, buses see a lot more distance. I wonder how much more quickly the batteries go.

Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by lesuorac on Friday May 02, 2025 @08:03AM (#43868621)
The lithium doesn't escape from a battery like it does from a gas tank.

I would expect a large scale operator to recover a lot of money from the sale of those rare earth minerals.

Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by bbarnett on Friday May 02, 2025 @08:52AM (#43869092)
Large or small operator, the recovery amount will be a tiny fraction of the overall battery pack cost. Recycling isn't free, and costs, and assemble + profit margins at both ends.

In short, you're diverting "how often" to "meh, who cares, they're recyclable", without any validation that it negates the cost.

Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by rlpb on Friday May 02, 2025 @04:08PM (#43874102)
AIUI, as EV fleets age, we're learning that it's the depth of charge and discharge that degrades batteries, not the total power throughput. Staying within 20% and 80% makes most of the difference to longevity. Additionally, they seem to degrade to about 80% of original capacity and then plateau, and are generally lasting much longer than initially expected.
Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by akadruid1 on Friday May 02, 2025 @06:01AM (#43867921)
This isn't true:

> Our results indicate that today's electrified bus fleets are roughly cost comparable to their traditional diesel counterparts

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967070X2...

Re:Quebec refuses to reinvest in Lion Electric (busses); US ... by chneu on Friday May 02, 2025 @07:34AM (#43868429)
Even if they cost a bit more, they are more reliable, better for the environment and air quality, and are so much quieter.