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Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by globalise83 on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @11:04AM (#43846309)
Could it be similar to weather forecasts where the further out the forecast goes the more it relies on seasonal averages?
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by thfuran on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @11:18AM (#43846486)
I think two weeks is pretty much the low end of transit time for a container from China to US, so I wouldn't expect needing much modeling within that window.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by crote on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @11:34AM (#43846688)
Ships can be rerouted while in transit. I bet it is extremely unusual for a container ship, but we do live in interesting times.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by immibis on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @12:15PM (#43847294)
There was an interview with a shipping manager somewhere (probably the 3-hour documentary by Gamers Nexus?). They said absolutely have been rerouting container ships in transit.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by ijidak on Thursday May 01, 2025 @04:01AM (#43854833)
But these ships are carrying containers for many different companies, right?

If some companies want the goods now and other companies need to hold off, how does that work?

Just whoever's shipping the most goods wins?

Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by JohnHaugeland on Thursday May 01, 2025 @09:23AM (#43857340)
Most container ships aren’t enormous behemoths

The more reasonable sized ones and the specialized ones (especially the car ones) often service a single buyer at a time

Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by 0cf8612b2e1e on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @11:39AM (#43846751)
Container ships did get rerouted when that ship got stuck in the Suez Canal.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by hnaccount_rng on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @02:16PM (#43848915)
But that’s “same port, different route” rerouting right? Here you would have to have “different port” rerouting (or some really weird weather making the Pacific intransitable”
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by toast0 on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @02:29PM (#43849049)
Cruising speed can also be modulated, easily within some ranges. You might speed up a little if you think you can land cargo before new tariffs, and you may slow if you think tariffs may be reduced if you land later. Staff costs for the vessel are relatively small, so as long as you don't go outside the range of speeds that are fuel efficient, there's flexibility.

Some of the tariff increases are so high that they effectively spoil the cargo; there's no point in bringing it through customs at those prices, and it typically won't make sense to ship it back, and it may not be possible to ship it elsewhere from the port either, so it is most likely to be destroyed at the port. Delaying to see if tariffs go down may be worthwhile for enough of the cargo that it makes sense to slow the whole boat.

Additionally, if demand for shipping is up, going faster allows for more supply, and if demand has slowed, going slower reduces supply.

Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by TylerE on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @07:48PM (#43852015)
The tariffs are based on departure not arrival date.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by adgjlsfhk1 on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @08:31PM (#43852318)
That's easy enough to fake. How is US customs going to know when a German company's ship registered in the Philippines left a Chinese port?
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by fc417fc802 on Thursday May 01, 2025 @12:12AM (#43853609)
Presumably by asking the Chinese authorities directly? We have near instantaneous global communication these days - that's how I'm conversing with you right now.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by wkat4242 on Thursday May 01, 2025 @01:44AM (#43854083)
There's also AIS

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/

Of course enabled by the very tech you mention.

Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by pixl97 on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @09:55PM (#43852939)
There is a pretty huge amount of ship and satellite tracking these days
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @09:56PM (#43852946)
You’d just lie about which ship it was on.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by thfuran on Thursday May 01, 2025 @01:56AM (#43854146)
While it's still in the shipping container with a GPS tracker on it?
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by RugnirViking on Thursday May 01, 2025 @02:29PM (#43861560)
I've very briefly worked with a team that was responsible for satellites that track ships and their AIS data, including trying to identify ships spoofing AIS though various means. (It was civilian, a university group, but I'm sure states have similar and more)
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by SirSavary on Friday May 02, 2025 @10:02PM (#43876319)
Do you have a source for this? Because from my own experience, and from everything I can find online, this is not true.

Tariffs are based on date of entry: https://www.vedderprice.com/remember-basic-import-rules-when... (see 'Rule 2')

Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by LeChuck on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @02:37PM (#43849145)
It happens all the time but it’s more useful to think in terms of container flows getting rerouted. Container ships sail in fixed loops so have containers on board for multiple ports. It often happens that the order in which the ports are called (the rotation) is changed, or a particular port gets skipped all together. Reasons can be congestion, delays in previous ports, etc. etc. The line can choose to transship the cargo, so pick it up with a second ship to carry it to destination, have the customer pick it up in the new location (possibly with a rebate) or truck/rail it to the final destination themselves.
Re:Port of Los Angeles says shipping volume will plummet 35%... by jhickok on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @11:07AM (#43846338)
Yeah I was wondering if those models try to smooth those bumps.