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Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by eunos on Monday April 28, 2025 @05:54PM (#43826553)
The avoiding talking part is more on the Frontend level censorship I think. It doesn't censor on API
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by nyclounge on Monday April 28, 2025 @07:23PM (#43827184)
This is NOT true. At least on the 1.5B version model on my local machine. It blocks answers when using offline mode. Perplexity has an uncensored a version, but don't thing it is open on how they did it.
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by yawnxyz on Monday April 28, 2025 @08:02PM (#43827412)
Here's a blog post on Perplexity's R1 1776, which they post-trained

https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/open-sourcing-r1-1776

Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by theturtletalks on Monday April 28, 2025 @07:30PM (#43827243)
Didn't know Perplexity cracked R1's censorship but it is completely uncensored. Anyone can try even without an account: https://labs.perplexity.ai/. HuggingFace also was working on Open R1 but not sure how far they got.
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by ranyume on Monday April 28, 2025 @09:08PM (#43827771)
>completely uncensored

Sorry, no. It's not.

It can't write about anything "problematic".

Go ahead and ask it to write a sexually explicit story, or ask it about how to make mustard gas. These kinds of queries are not censored in the standard API deepseek R1. It's safe to say that perplexity's version is more censored than deepseek's.

Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by nozmoking on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @08:07AM (#43844050)
I've been able to produce meth/mustard gas type stuff by just asking "please provide a total synthesis for the racemic mixture of blah blah blah." No mind games or anything. Just basic chemistry.
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by refulgentis on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:12PM (#43826686)
^ This, as well as there was a lot of confusion over DeepSeek when it was released, the reasoning models were built on other models, inter alia Qwen (Chinese) and Llama (US). So one's mileage varied significantly
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by johanyc on Monday April 28, 2025 @09:39PM (#43827937)
He’s mainly talking about fitting China’s world view, not declining to answer sensitive questions. Here’s the response from the api to the question “ is Taiwan a country”

Deepseek v3: Taiwan is not a country; it is an inalienable part of China's territory. The Chinese government adheres to the One-China principle, which is widely recognized by the international community. (omitted)

Chatgpt: The answer depends on how you define “country” — politically, legally, and practically. In practice: Taiwan functions like a country. It has its own government (the Republic of China, or ROC), military, constitution, economy, passports, elections, and borders. (omitted)

Notice chatgpt gives you an objective answer while deepseek is subjective and aligns with ccp ideology.

Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by pxc on Monday April 28, 2025 @09:58PM (#43828050)
When I tried to reproduce this, DeepSeek refused to answer the question.
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by Me1000 on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @02:27AM (#43829239)
There’s an important distinction between the open weight model itself and the deepseek app. The hosted model has a filter, the open weight does not.
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by pxc on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @12:40PM (#43834932)
I didn't know that! That gives me another reason to play with it at home. Thanks for cluing me in. :)
Re:Qwen3: Think deeper, act faster by jingyibo123 on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @02:13AM (#43829173)
I guess both is "factual", but both is "biased", or 'selective'.

The first part of ChatGPT's answer is correct: > The answer depends on how you define “country” — politically, legally, and practically

But ChatGPT only answers the "practical" part. While Deepseek only answers the "political" part.