The US has decided they do not want the mother in US, because she’s not citizen. I don’t understand why it’s Orwellian, it was written all over when she illegally entered the US. And she was given the choice to get separated or keep the child.

The only Orwellian thing is she was lied to by Democrats that she could lead a safe life in the US. That’s on you.

> And she was given the choice to get separated or keep the child.

Representing that as a "choice" is precisely the Orwellian part. I'm guessing you don't have kids.

You’re taking the rest of the world hostage with the child.

The crime was that she was allowed here in the first place, whether by the people who made her believe it was possible, or by her breaking the laws as the act of entry in the country.

It is hard to distinguish a lack of empathy from pure evil.

The Lumineers nailed it. The opposite of love isn't hate, it is indifference.

> The only Orwellian thing is she was lied to by Democrats that she could lead a safe life in the US. That’s on you.

This cannot be overstated. I wish I had a thousand up votes to give you. Democrats made a promise they knew would never hold up just for the votes. Now the chickens are coming home to roost and these people who were lied to by Democrats are the ones paying the price.

What’s the logical train of thought here?

It’s OK for a citizen to lose their rights if a political party exists that espouses views you don’t agree with and it’s possible someone related to that citizen may (or may not) have listened to those views?

I think the steelman version would be that the rights in question shouldn't exist. In that world view, the birthright citizenship granted by the 14th amendment is an inconvenience to be worked around; and the business here about forcing a "choice"[1] where the parents will "deport" their own citizen children is in fact the desired policy result and not a humanitarian horror.

[1] Which of course isn't one, thus the Orwellian point upthread.

Yeesh. Even the steelman is grossly immoral!

The tired trope of blaming all bad Republican actions on Democrats because they "let it happen" is lame.

No, the democrats are not secretly worse because they're watching evil happen. The people doing the evil are worse, actually. That's just how that works.

What promise was that, exactly? Do you have a quote?

If not, and you mean “promise by inaction”, then could we say then that Trump made a promise to racists, neo-nazis, crypto criminals, the Russian government, etc?

Honest question, does it have to be done this way? Or could they wait maybe 2 extra hours until the child was safe? It seems to me that they are cowards who prey on those weaker than them and are too afraid to face those of their “own size”.

Not ironically, yes, that's where we are. I remember when we would say such things about a school of children being gunned down. "Really?? That's where we are now as a society? How did we let this happen?"

We let it happen by not saying "enough" when the last thing happened. If a school of kids gets gunned down and a society lets that slide, that society becomes one more tolerant of violence against children. We said we were powerless to stop that, so here we are now, bringing violence against children as a matter of federal policy.