Re:Librarians Are Dangerous
by SoftTalker on Saturday April 19, 2025 @03:52PM
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I’m sorry for your experience but your extreme case does not invalidate the right of normal parents to exercise guidance over their children and to decide when and to what types of books, movies, games, etc. they are exposed.
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Re:Librarians Are Dangerous
by soulofmischief on Saturday April 19, 2025 @05:08PM
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My experience is the edge case that people like you try to pretend either doesn't exist or doesn't matter when justifying the current system.
Re:Librarians Are Dangerous
by toasterlovin on Saturday April 19, 2025 @05:32PM
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FWIW, the most egregious issues you’ve mentioned about your upbringing are physical and mental abuse and there are already mechanisms for the state to intervene in those cases and nobody in this thread is arguing against those. Now it so happens that your abusers also limited your access to information, but it’s not actually clear there’s anything wrong with that, which is why we’re arguing about it, but it’s certainly the case that the fact that you were physically and mentally abused as a kid is orthogonal to whether or not the state should intervene in matters of mere access to information.
Parallel really, not orthogonal. It's better that I cut off your internet than hit you with a hammer, but not much better.
Re:Librarians Are Dangerous
by toasterlovin on Saturday April 19, 2025 @06:37PM
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Is cutting off a teen’s internet bad if they’re being bullied or groomed on social media?
Do you think if a teen is being bullied, cutting them off from the Internet will help?
It does. Because a child is a sentient being. Not an accessory for a parent. If you respect the autonomy of someone who is sentient, even when they're dependent on someone else, it's important they're given the ability to forge their own life.
And no, it's not an "extreme case" — it's a common one.
Wildeman et al. estimated the lifetime child maltreatment prevalence for US children as 12.5% by age 18 years, but considered only child maltreatment reports substantiated by CPS.12 Substantiated reports are a small subset of all reports. In 2014, only 21.9% of investigated reports were substantiated.10 (Technically, “investigated” indicates “investigated or assessed” and “substantiated” indicates “substantiated or indicated” here and after.)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5227926/pdf/AJPH.20...1 in 5 is hardly uncommon. Note, these are the substantiated reports i.e. an investigation was done and it was found, "yes, the child is being abused."
But even if it was 1 in 10, or 1 in 100, or 1 in 1,000 then we still can't design the system without this in mind, because any system needs to have a safety margin for failure, and that includes caring for children.