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Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by duxup on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:07PM (#43700282)
This is one of those things that I doubt changes anything, and I suspect only satisfies folks desire to wag their finger at other folks.

Folks will give one reason for it, but I think it's just finger wagging / getting in other people's business in the end.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by TimorousBestie on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:17PM (#43700355)
It is petty cruelty by folks who wrongly believe they are incapable of one day being poor and destitute.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by rayiner on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:22PM (#43700397)
No. The cruelty is pretending that everyone has equal capacity to make life choices and that society has no role in encouraging people to make good decisions.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by TimorousBestie on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:31PM (#43700453)
Who is pretending these straw men?

It’s not me. I don’t agree with either of those positions.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by hollerith on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:15AM (#43701391)
If so, then will you concede that the policy (ban) under discussion will tend to have beneficial effects that might outweigh the insulting effect that you noted in your first comment?
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by watwut on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @03:01AM (#43702332)
There ia about zero effort put into encouraging good decisions, but a lot of gleeful activity into making their lives as uncomfortable as possible.

Systematically again and again. At this point, it just make bo sense to pretend anything else.

The very same people throw massive fit at any measure that could make their targets life's better.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by ifyoubuildit on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:07PM (#43707109)
You know what's uncomfortable (and also expensive)? Being obese and having rotting teeth.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by hmcq6 on Thursday April 17, 2025 @12:20AM (#43713098)
Drinking soda has almost nothing to do with rotting teeth. Dentists are now more concerned about the damage electrolyte drinks cause.

Should we take away Gatorade too?

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by ifyoubuildit on Thursday April 17, 2025 @12:14PM (#43718918)
> Drinking soda has almost nothing to do with rotting teeth.

This is the first I've heard anyone say this. Got any sources to share?

> Should we take away Gatorade too?

First of all, it's not taking away, rather it's not providing. And yes, probably. Gatorade has almost as much added sugar as coke.

The guiding principle is "don't provide things that are 1) going to promote illness, and 2) cause you to have to now provide more things to deal with the problems you've caused.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by hashishen on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @07:35AM (#43704058)
there is a difference between discouraging bad decisions and encouraging good ones. this resolution falls into the former which is a collective punishment more than anything else since the health of those affected isn't the driving factor here. a better solution would be if healthy items like produce were given incentive to be purchased over these, like exclusive discounting or something similar.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by ndriscoll on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @08:52AM (#43704851)
Like making it so that you have to pay full price for candy and soda, but letting you buy produce for free with your SNAP benefits? It's not like beneficiaries are banned from buying soda. They just can't use their benefits to do it (and since money is fungible, it's not really even taking anything away unless they had more than they need to buy actual groceries).

As someone who buys soda maybe once a year or two and candy only to give out on Halloween, I don't understand how this is a point of contention. No one should be buying this stuff with enough regularity for it to affect their budget. Why would we subsidize it? That is encouraging people to buy it. We shouldn't subsidize it for the same reasons we shouldn't subsidize cigarettes and alcohol.

Or more to the point, SNAP is for food. Candy and soda are not food. Unless you're Michael Phelps and need 10,000 calories per day, they have no place in anyone's diet.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by hollerith on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @11:14AM (#43706554)
>Candy and soda are not food. Unless you're Michael Phelps and need 10,000 calories per day

Or a farmer.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by thehappypm on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @07:16AM (#43703938)
If the government is giving you money to buy food, it’s extremely fair that they require you to buy food that isn’t diabetes-inducing poison.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by duxup on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @07:29AM (#43704016)
Everyone gets something from the government, that’s dangerous reasoning.

If the policy got folks out of poverty I’m all for it, otherwise it’s just people’s / government’s desire to tell others what to do for the sake of doing that.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by thehappypm on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @05:02PM (#43710356)
Reducing obesity and diabetes is definitely a worthy goal.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by ty6853 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:11PM (#43700309)
Would make more sense to shit-can the program and just hand them cash. Any junkies or land-whales will kill themselves faster and relieve the taxpayers of further burden, and the people that need it have better understanding of their own needs than some benefits clerk who spends 5 minutes with them twice a year. It would be a win-win for literally everyone.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by duxup on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @09:22PM (#43700402)
I lived in a crappy part of town when I was young. Local homeless guy I recognized, I'd give him a few bucks once in a while. I didn't know him, but everyone recognized him.

Someone mentioned to me "he's just gonna spend it on booze" (there wasn't really any evidence for that but they assumed). A friend of mine made an insightful comment "Considering his life so far, maybe he actually could use a beer more than us." (We were going to a local bar)

Someone wants some skittles or something, fine by me. The idea that we should tell someone they can't have a treat because they're poor, I agree that seems cruel.

Folks who really want to get those folks help / get them out of the system, they're not sweating skittles.

My wife works in the school system and one of the poorer kids told her that sometimes their aunt and uncle come over and take their food. THAT is a problem, not skittles.

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by nothercastle on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:26AM (#43701466)
For me it’s less about what they pick and more about not funneling more tax payer money to PepsiCo for food like products that kill people. If you are going to micro manage the program cut out all the toxic shit.
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by hmcq6 on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @12:32AM (#43701493)
Chiquita also kills people
Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by GuestFAUniverse on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:51AM (#43702264)
Oh, the lovely United Fruits Company?

Who dares to have a critical view into a proper history book?

Everybody better read "Fahrenheit 451" too, as long as the Bro-lords don't go after it (again).

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by a_e_k on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:26AM (#43702123)
There's a famous anecdote about C.S. Lewis saying much the same thing:

> On the way to an Inklings meeting, he gave some money to a street beggar, and I made the usual objection: "Won't he just spend it on drink?"

> Lewis answered, "Yes, but if I kept it, so would I."

https://web.archive.org/web/20210717220213/https://www.ncron...

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by kalleboo on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @11:30PM (#43701162)
> Would make more sense to shit-can the program and just hand them cash

Is there anywhere else in the world that has a similar program to SNAP that micro-manages what kind of things people can buy? Everywhere else I'm familiar with just gives people in need cash that they can spend however they want. The closest thing I can think of is food banks (which also seems much more rare elsewhere, only recently popping up in the UK after their austerity programs)

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by garfield_light on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @02:50AM (#43702249)
JUNAEB in Chile is pretty much SNAP for college students. Originally you could buy beer or pretty much anything in the supermarket, it got limited strictly to food and then items with two or less warning labels [0].

A big difference is intention, in the US the focus is "anti-sin" and avoiding joy for undesirables. Many protein bars or "natural" juices are just morally aesthetic candy and soda. The labeling in Chile is data driven* (i.e, It's pretty much an efficient way to read the nutrition info, it killed vitamin water) so the objective is closer to public health.

I would also think that straight cash is preferable, the limitations are fine for complementary benefits of college students, not for actual families. Diapers and lentils are a better use of government money. Anyways if people want to buy drugs, converting food items to cash is simple.

- https://www.theexamination.org/articles/a-decade-after-its-p...

Re:Arkansas moves to ban candy, soda from SNAP eligibility by asacrowflies on Wednesday April 16, 2025 @01:28AM (#43701801)
Peak hackernews content! Wow such good faith and Curiosity! Kill yourselves land whales!!! LMFAO wtf is this 4chan?