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Re:The Industrialization of IT by joelthelion on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @03:02AM (#43689812)
> In 2025, the engineer probably beats Gemini. Sure, great. But in 2030, who wins this hypothetical?

I don't think we need to wait for 2030. Today, using aider/cursor and Gemini-pro-2.5, I'm pretty sure a team of two or three senior developers with great domain knowledge would be competitive with a team of 10 average devs. Being a small, close-knit team has a lot of advantages. And LLMs can help close the productivity gap.

Re:The Industrialization of IT by Sateeshm on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @03:07AM (#43689837)
> I'm pretty sure a team of two or three senior developers with great domain knowledge would be competitive with a team of 10 average devs.

This has always been true. LLMs didn't change that.

Re:The Industrialization of IT by ExxKA on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @03:15AM (#43689882)
Yes!

Spend any amount of time, reading the implementation of powerfull algorithms (A* search, Bubble sort), and you will realize that the power is in the idea, not the feeble attempt at coding it in PHP, Go, JS or what ever.

Re:The Industrialization of IT by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @03:30AM (#43689966)
The 10 average devs can produce hundreds of thousands of lines of buggy, poor performance code that implement thousands of features poorly in the same amount of time the senior developers could implement tens of thousands of lines of great code that implement hundreds of features perfectly.

But what if the three senior devs could produce thousands of lines of great code that implement thousands of features perfectly. I don't think this is the case but I believe this is what the OP means.

the interest is of course because what "the business" wants is thousands of features, perfectly or imperfectly is a secondary consideration.

on edit: changed senior devs hundreds of thousands to thousands because one benefit is that much of the code the average make is not really needed.

Re:The Industrialization of IT by swexbe on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @03:45AM (#43690057)
Typing shouldn't be what's taking up most of your time if you are a great dev writing great code.
Re:The Industrialization of IT by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @05:19AM (#43690646)
which kind of typing are we talking about here? if it's the kind that my hands do on a keyboard that is obviously not what is meant by writing code.
Re:The Industrialization of IT by jsk2600 on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @04:26AM (#43690313)
>I'm pretty sure a team of two or three senior developers with great domain knowledge would be competitive with a team of 10 average devs.

You are comparing senior vs average devs here. What will happen if a team of 'two or three senior devs' with AI/ML tools compete with equally skilled 10 senior devs with AI/ML tools?

Re:The Industrialization of IT by lordkrandel on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @06:20AM (#43690970)
I think you're building a 100x tech debt with that.
Re:The Industrialization of IT by joelthelion on Tuesday April 15, 2025 @02:59PM (#43697027)
I agree that's a very real risk if you don't architect and test well.