Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by MicahWedemeyer on Friday August 10, 2012 @11:29AM
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I wish I could upvote this 100 times. I run a website in the tabletop RPG space, and there is an average of 1 new kickstarter per day for someone trying to fund their new game, new module, new idea, new iphone dice roller, new virtual tabletop, etc.
They all point to the massive successes, but very few seem to understand that failure is a definite possibility.
Thanks for putting this together and I'll definitely be talking about it on my podcast: http://hastepodcast.com We're always covering new kickstarter projects, and this is an invaluable tool for people who get all starry-eyed at crowdfunding.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by blhack on Friday August 10, 2012 @01:07PM
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"Success" should be more than just getting funded, it should be following through with the project.
I could "kickstart" a trip to the moon with no engineering knowledge, and a budget of $5000, and by this metric I would be "successful". Probably within an hour if I properly attached the ideas of unseating a major tech company, and using android to do it. Also video games.
That doesn't mean I went to the moon. It means I successfully got $5000 out of people.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by nimblegorilla on Friday August 10, 2012 @01:24PM
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I think this tool is geared to people who want to create kickstarter projects that are successfully funded. It isn't geared to people trying to figure out which projects will end up delivering.
Success in the context of Kickstarter means you raised your money. Just like a successful round of venture funding means the company was able to raise money (and not necessarily deliver a real product).
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by kibibyte on Friday August 10, 2012 @01:51PM
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But how would you define "success"? For example, let's say that Ouya delivers the consoles to those who funded the project, but after a year or two, it dies out from lack of developer interest. Would you define that as a "success" because it delivered, or would you call it a "failure" because it died out?
For Kickstarter projects, I think it's better we use more precise terms, like "successfully funded", rather than the vague "successful".
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by its_so_on on Friday August 10, 2012 @01:32PM
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>I could "kickstart" a trip to the moon with no engineering knowledge, and a budget of $5000, and by this metric I would be "successful". Probably within an hour if I properly attached the ideas of unseating a major tech company, and using android to do it. Also video games."
BLHack: Your idea is interesting, but a bit vague. Could you send a brief summary of the project? Please find enclosed $500k just in case you need a seed for you know whatev. Looking forward to more: your new board.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by blhack on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:01PM
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Here's a really nice computer render of the moon. Also, we filmed this in a coffee shop and know how to use shallow depth of field to demonstrate to you that we KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING!
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by its_so_on on Saturday August 11, 2012 @07:21AM
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BLHack:
Thanks - couple of thoughts here. You demonstrate good potential to disrupt some big companies with the coffee shop video. But you need a lot more momentum, so please hold off on coffee shop work until series A.
I would also have loved to share the render with my niece's dog, who's really crazy about the moon, but I couldn't find any social buttons. This takes precedence.
I'd like to introduce you to a social media director who would be a very good fit (cc). Please set up an interview.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by Smudge on Friday August 10, 2012 @12:19PM
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As soon as I realized how difficult it was to find a comprehensive list of failed Kickstarter projects, I frantically began building a private database of them so that I have the data if I ever need it. Information on failed and cancelled projects is really quite valuable for anyone wanting to launch a successful one.
If I'd gotten around to it, I might have tried to build something like the KickBack Machine, but seeing as it has already been done, I'll leave the job to Dan Misener. (And he's done an excellent job.)
Edit: seems I was wrong about the launch date being hard to find.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by misener on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:40PM
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Indeed, the launch date is there, but it's only accurate to the day. To figure out the actual launch date+time, you need to look at the deadline and subtract the project duration, both of which can be found in this element on each page:
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by Smudge on Friday August 10, 2012 @12:39PM
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Wow, thanks. Was this always there, or did it come as part of the recent redesign? I remember searching the source of the previous project pages for anything resembling what should have been a launch date, and couldn't find it anywhere. Maybe at the time I was just delirious.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by danielna on Friday August 10, 2012 @10:00AM
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I love how even simple adjustments can make a twitter-bootstrap site appear more personalized. Maybe it's the black bar, but I tend to groan a little bit whenever I see it on new sites I come across. This design, on the other hand, I really like. Nice work!
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by prezjordan on Friday August 10, 2012 @10:11AM
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I agree wholeheartedly. Changing the top banner and buttons (the buttons are the first thing I notice) really personalize the site. Great job on using Bootstrap as its intended to be used.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by sidwyn on Friday August 10, 2012 @10:35AM
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Right now the 'Successful' word is glaring at me for each project [0]. I'd like to see the project title instead of whether it was successful or not. Try swapping the word 'Successful' with the project title?
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by misener on Friday August 10, 2012 @10:39AM
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Solid suggestion. I suppose that the length and colour of the progress bar is probably enough to signal whether a project was successful or not. Thanks.
Hollywood Actor Jason Biggs (from American Pie) had his $5,000 goal kickstarter campaign FAIL. F.A.I.L. And he's in Hollywood. People know him. He knows people. Wow.
I guess this goes to show that success is never guarenteed. One cannot predict future success based on past success, or future failure based on past failure. It also makes me feel really good about my own kickstarter campaign failing.
Wow this made my day. Poor guy though, it must have been a huge "wtf" for him.
edit: Changed "oh my god" to "woah" to avoid getting any more downvotes. As an atheist I'm curious to know weather it came from offended christians or vengeful atheists.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by MengYuanLong on Saturday August 11, 2012 @11:02AM
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Seconded. His Kickstarter video and copy seemed like a stream of thought joke. Why should I give a rich Hollywood actor money when I can give a well planned and spoken individual the same funds.
Further, it seems pretty unlikely that a person ought to make a movie about how to lead a grassroots campaign if they can't even lead one for their own project.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by ecmendenhall on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:36PM
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This is a great tool! Along with Kicktraq (http://kicktraq.com/) and Kicksaver (http://www.kicksaver.net/ - I made this a while ago), there are now third party projects like this for every stage of a potential campaign, from the planning stages to last-minute rescues.
We're all lucky that Kickstarter's pages are so pleasant to scrape.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by iblaine on Friday August 10, 2012 @03:09PM
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Seems like unsuccessful projects get burried. Cancelled ones are quietly swept away. Case in point is glospex. One day the project was there, the next day it was not. No word...maybe kickstarter is too tiny to have a customer service department...maybe they want the unsuccessful projects to remain unseen.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by ColinDabritz on Friday August 10, 2012 @01:10PM
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What would be incredibly useful to me is a 'follow-through' indicator for the funded projects. When I read the link I thought 'success' was going to be "funded and delivered on promises".
It would clearly take a lot more work to track, but I could see a Politifact promise-o-meter style 'Delivery Status' with simple indicators like 'In Progress', 'Failed', 'Partial', 'Late', and 'Delivered' or similar.
Also for the funding side, having simple counts on each category and % funded for a given filter would be very informative.
Excellent and clear presentation overall though, very useful as it stands!
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by ColinDabritz on Friday August 10, 2012 @01:16PM
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For the % stats regarding funding it's nice to have Kickstarter's page, but integrating that data with rest of the information on the linked page could help inform your decision making.
For the follow-up, I didn't see anything on Kickstarter about stats.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by misener on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:46PM
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Indeed, the aggregate numbers are there, but it's extremely difficult to find individual examples of success/failure by category or goal. That's the point of TKBM.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by sequoia on Friday August 10, 2012 @12:57PM
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Looking thru http://www.thekickbackmachine.com/browse/all/ it appears the projects are overwhelmingly successful. In the first 163 project, just under 75% were successful. Am I interpreting this incorrectly, or are projects funded successfully an overwhelming majority of the time?
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by misener on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:43PM
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According to my numbers, since mid-June 2012, the overall success rate for all projects in all categories has been ~72%. Much higher than Kickstarter's all-time success rate of ~44%. Successes seem to be increasing.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by nordicnomad82 on Friday August 10, 2012 @04:51PM
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I had a friend who started something similar one night when he was drinking. But this is much cleaner looking. ;)
I find digging into stats and broad psychological trends relating to human behavior kind of exciting on one level and depressing on another. From one perspective you can really increase your likelihood of getting people to do what you want with small tricks and tweaks. But then you realize that we're all just a bunch of manipulate-able sheep. :/
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by misener on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:44PM
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It's an incomplete list. TKBM has only been tracking projects that ended since mid-June 2012.
According to my numbers, since mid-June 2012, the overall success rate for all projects in all categories has been ~72%. Much higher than Kickstarter's all-time success rate of ~44%.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by waterlesscloud on Friday August 10, 2012 @10:29PM
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I've been suspecting their success rate might go up as more people become comfortable with the idea. A lot of small projects should be very do-able if their community is familiar with kickstarter.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by fudged71 on Friday August 10, 2012 @03:11PM
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That would be really interesting. I'd like to see specific categories that are more successful now than they previously were, for example. Or correlate that success of specific projects based on how long ago they were.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by misener on Friday August 10, 2012 @10:48AM
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Search is on the roadmap, for sure. That said, Kickstarter's existing search function performs very well.
The primary purpose of TKBM is to collect Kickstarter projects together by outcome (success/failure) and goal -- two things that Kickstarter's site doesn't make easy.
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by thehodge on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:46PM
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Am I the only one who finds kickstarter search so frustrating? all I want to find is all the technology products orders by recently added.. am I missing something blatant
Re:Show HN: See Kickstarter successes and failures
by brador on Friday August 10, 2012 @02:43PM
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Any chance of kickstarter releasing a dump of this so we can all have a play? Even at just a month of data it'll stop us all scraping the hell out of the site.
They all point to the massive successes, but very few seem to understand that failure is a definite possibility.
Thanks for putting this together and I'll definitely be talking about it on my podcast: http://hastepodcast.com We're always covering new kickstarter projects, and this is an invaluable tool for people who get all starry-eyed at crowdfunding.
I could "kickstart" a trip to the moon with no engineering knowledge, and a budget of $5000, and by this metric I would be "successful". Probably within an hour if I properly attached the ideas of unseating a major tech company, and using android to do it. Also video games.
That doesn't mean I went to the moon. It means I successfully got $5000 out of people.
Success in the context of Kickstarter means you raised your money. Just like a successful round of venture funding means the company was able to raise money (and not necessarily deliver a real product).
For Kickstarter projects, I think it's better we use more precise terms, like "successfully funded", rather than the vague "successful".
BLHack: Your idea is interesting, but a bit vague. Could you send a brief summary of the project? Please find enclosed $500k just in case you need a seed for you know whatev. Looking forward to more: your new board.
Thanks - couple of thoughts here. You demonstrate good potential to disrupt some big companies with the coffee shop video. But you need a lot more momentum, so please hold off on coffee shop work until series A.
I would also have loved to share the render with my niece's dog, who's really crazy about the moon, but I couldn't find any social buttons. This takes precedence.
I'd like to introduce you to a social media director who would be a very good fit (cc). Please set up an interview.
Thanks,
Your board.
Things I'd like to see added:
Length of campaign, also search by launch/end date
Search funding goal with upper/lower constraints, not just a "close to $#"
Search success by % of goal reached or $ pledged (again, with upper/lower bounds).
# of backers
# of updates posted
An API for access to the data, so others can do analytics on it
Having scraping experience myself, I'd be happy to contribute code to accomplish some of these if you're interested in outside contributors.
If I'd gotten around to it, I might have tried to build something like the KickBack Machine, but seeing as it has already been done, I'll leave the job to Dan Misener. (And he's done an excellent job.)
Edit: seems I was wrong about the launch date being hard to find.
<span data-duration="X" data-end_time="Y" id="project_duration_data">
[0]http://www.thekickbackmachine.com/browse/successful/
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/818526066/the-grassroots...
Hollywood Actor Jason Biggs (from American Pie) had his $5,000 goal kickstarter campaign FAIL. F.A.I.L. And he's in Hollywood. People know him. He knows people. Wow.
I guess this goes to show that success is never guarenteed. One cannot predict future success based on past success, or future failure based on past failure. It also makes me feel really good about my own kickstarter campaign failing.
Wow this made my day. Poor guy though, it must have been a huge "wtf" for him.
edit: Changed "oh my god" to "woah" to avoid getting any more downvotes. As an atheist I'm curious to know weather it came from offended christians or vengeful atheists.
Further, it seems pretty unlikely that a person ought to make a movie about how to lead a grassroots campaign if they can't even lead one for their own project.
We're all lucky that Kickstarter's pages are so pleasant to scrape.
It would clearly take a lot more work to track, but I could see a Politifact promise-o-meter style 'Delivery Status' with simple indicators like 'In Progress', 'Failed', 'Partial', 'Late', and 'Delivered' or similar.
Also for the funding side, having simple counts on each category and % funded for a given filter would be very informative.
Excellent and clear presentation overall though, very useful as it stands!
For the follow-up, I didn't see anything on Kickstarter about stats.
I find digging into stats and broad psychological trends relating to human behavior kind of exciting on one level and depressing on another. From one perspective you can really increase your likelihood of getting people to do what you want with small tricks and tweaks. But then you realize that we're all just a bunch of manipulate-able sheep. :/
According to my numbers, since mid-June 2012, the overall success rate for all projects in all categories has been ~72%. Much higher than Kickstarter's all-time success rate of ~44%.
What I mean is to have that in the current view...seems more useful than how many days ago it ended?
The KickBack Machine dumps lots of data into this Fusion Table on an ongoing basis. Please feel free to slice and dice it however you like.
The primary purpose of TKBM is to collect Kickstarter projects together by outcome (success/failure) and goal -- two things that Kickstarter's site doesn't make easy.