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Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by Symbiote on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @04:42PM (#43637718)
Yesterday your vice president referred to the Chinese as "peasants".
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by greenchair on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @05:27PM (#43638196)
all part of the negotiations :)
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by prmoustache on Thursday April 10, 2025 @02:38AM (#43641275)
I think the current US government is missing the negotiation part of the word negotiation.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by IncreasePosts on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @06:13PM (#43638615)
Something like 35% of China's population works in the agriculture sector, many of whom are poor with little or no land holdings living in small villages. Is there a word for that kind of person?
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by blargey on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @07:05PM (#43638950)
That number has been falling since 2012 and was around 22% as of 2023 (ignoring the hand-wavy conflation of the entire agriculture sector and stereotypical rural farmers)

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/employment-in-agriculture...

You could just as easily massage statistics to call the US a nation of gig workers or something, but neither is productive or informative.

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by bbreier on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @11:59PM (#43640497)
Peasant has a more specific meaning than this. More importantly, it has been used as a pejorative for a very long time now and that is clearly the intent the vice president had in mind.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by spaceman_2020 on Thursday April 10, 2025 @01:02AM (#43640780)
Would you call a midwest farmer in the US a “peasant” or just a farmer?

Let’s not pretend that peasants and farmers represent the same thing

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by 9rx on Thursday April 10, 2025 @04:11PM (#43647615)
> Would you call a midwest farmer in the US a “peasant” or just a farmer?

All peasants are farmers, but not all farmers are poor.

So, no, not as a group. Midwest farmers, on balance, are going to be some of the richest people you can find in the country (mostly because of their land ownership, which Chinese farmers don't have). There may be some individual farmers in the midwest who you could consider to be peasants, though.

But Chinese farmers are likely to be poor. Some individual farmers in China are rich, but as far as the group goes... It is not as bad as it once was, but as that group they still lag well behind the typical urban dweller.

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by electrondood on Thursday April 10, 2025 @12:16AM (#43640574)
Fair, but he's not exactly a shining beacon of the best we have to offer.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by spaceman_2020 on Thursday April 10, 2025 @01:03AM (#43640782)
Half your voting population deemed him to be fit enough to represent them
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by apwell23 on Thursday April 10, 2025 @05:46AM (#43642330)
yea all voting population voted. ironic comment talking about intelligence.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by spaceman_2020 on Thursday April 10, 2025 @05:12PM (#43648048)
the non voters didn't think he was bad enough of a representative to vote against him then. Equally complicit
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by apwell23 on Friday April 11, 2025 @12:14AM (#43650459)
oh you are a mind reader now ? great
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by literalAardvark on Thursday April 10, 2025 @05:16AM (#43642175)
Unfortunately in a democracy the best we have to offer isn't what we actually offer.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by refurb on Thursday April 10, 2025 @05:24AM (#43642222)
No, he said “"We borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants make”

He did not refer to all Chinese as peasants. China would like you think that though.

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by eagleislandsong on Thursday April 10, 2025 @05:53AM (#43642353)
While it is true that Vance did not literally refer to all Chinese people as peasants, I do worry that such rhetoric will stoke the flames of racially motivated anti-Asian/anti-Chinese attacks.

I don't want to discuss whether he is genuinely racist; I think that's besides the point. Words can have a lot of impact, especially when uttered by a public figure in such a powerful position. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the Vice President of the United States to carefully weigh the consequences of his words before speaking.

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by giantrobot on Thursday April 10, 2025 @07:34AM (#43642828)
> I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the Vice President of the United States to carefully weigh the consequences of his words before speaking.

He did carefully weigh the consequences of his words. He deliberately chose the most inflammatory and insulting of possible words. Knowingly and intentionally.

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by mindslight on Thursday April 10, 2025 @09:27AM (#43643570)
So then the actual bona fide peasants are the ones owning the T-bills? I thought holding USD reserves was national policy, with strict currency controls and whatnot. So my basic reading of that quote puts it closer to a dog whistle blanket characterization, and your promotion of the equivocation is quite disingenuous.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by unethical_ban on Thursday April 10, 2025 @09:33AM (#43643606)
It was an unnecessary slight by the vice president of the United States. Vance is a provocateur, and I'm not sure he's an intelligent one.
Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by vixen99 on Thursday April 10, 2025 @09:58AM (#43643840)
Definition: Peasant: 1. A member of the class constituted by small farmers and tenants, sharecroppers, and laborers on the land where they form the main labor force in agriculture. 2. A country person; a rustic. 3. An uncouth, crude, or ill-bred person; a boor.

You unsurprisingly choose the third option. Uncouth, crude and or ill-bred people are probably not especially productive in their working life.

We do know that in China, rural people flock to the cities (where they have diminished welfare provisions and 'rural' status, do the work and are then expected to return to their homes in the country.

Re:How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike sho... by unethical_ban on Thursday April 10, 2025 @12:55PM (#43645833)
Vance does not get the benefit of the doubt.