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Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by Izkata on Tuesday April 08, 2025 @11:45PM (#43628715)
Before WWI there was a similar belief in Europe, that the growing economic interdependence would prevent wars from breaking out. Instead once there was a spark, those relationships kept pulling more and more countries into the conflict and turned it into the "Great War".
Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by dcrazy on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @12:48AM (#43628963)
Were they economic interdependencies or high-level political alliances?

The E.U. is clearly an example of the economic interdependency theory. It evolved in post-WW2 Europe from the European Coal and Steel Community. Mineral richness is why the Saarland was given to France after WW2. The idea is that economic integration will lead to political integration from the ground up.

My understanding of the pre-WW1 alliances is that they were deals made between a lot of people with “Habsburg” in their names.

Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by wqaatwt on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @01:08AM (#43629057)
The Habsburg dynasty technically became extinct in 1780. After that they were the house of Habsburg-Lorraine and they didn’t have much direct influence outside of Austria-Hungary.

Dynastic politics were by and large dead in the 1800s with few exceptions (but generally kings/queens were just pawns in the hand of the politicians unlike in the preceding centuries).

Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by rat87 on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @01:22AM (#43629119)
I disagree the EU is peaceful because of democratic peace theory and because of the political union not because of trade. If it was just economic and some of those countries were authoritarian I could easily border conflicts turning into wars
Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by oceanplexian on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @01:55AM (#43629282)
It really hasn’t been particularly peaceful.

The last dictatorship was in the 1970s? The last World War the 40s? The US might have had a civil war but it went in and came out the other side with the same borders, government, and constitution. Still going strong since the 18th century.

Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by Kbelicius on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @02:45AM (#43629491)
The person you are responding to was talking about the EU. It did not exist in the 40s and Spain wasn't a part of it til the 80s. You are really bringing the level of discourse down.
Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by rat87 on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @02:32PM (#43635671)
Yes but how much among democracies?
Re:The Decline of the U.S. Machine-Tool Industry and Prospec... by pyrale on Wednesday April 09, 2025 @03:35AM (#43629738)
> Instead once there was a spark, those relationships kept pulling more and more countries into the conflict

This is a bad take on the cause of alliances. large wartime coalitions had been a thing since the consolidation of power into monarchies in Europe: the 7-year war had involved all of Europe's significant actors, as did the napoleonic wars, the war for the spanish succession, the 30-year war, etc. This was much earlier than the development of cross-border trade.

In an imperialist era, diplomacy was the way to coordinate European nations' colonial efforts without repeating that kind of conflict. It was only temporary, though, since expansionist policies can't last forever peacefully.

The reason WW1 felt so different from previous wars was technological development. That aspect was already present in earlier wars, WW1 was just the first major European conflict in a long time.