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Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by Philpax on Thursday April 03, 2025 @03:46AM (#43566226)
I would recommend clicking on the link and scrolling down.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by duckfan on Thursday April 03, 2025 @04:04AM (#43566395)
The most relevant link on the website seems to be the one listing bills that actually passed: https://translegislation.com/bills/2025/passed

From a brief scan through, it includes measures like mandating that single-sex spaces are single-sex spaces, collecting accurate statistics on sex, preventing the teaching of gender identity beliefs as if they are facts, and preventing children from being given certain controversial pharmaceutical and surgical interventions.

None of that appears to be about destroying anyone's lives.

Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by akimbostrawman on Thursday April 03, 2025 @04:41AM (#43566695)
"destroying and erasing" trans people = not overtly pushing for there spread and acceptance
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by reef_sh on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:38AM (#43568741)
Assuming you're actually arguing in good faith, the "erasing" bit has been quite obvious and blatant.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/13/us/stonewall-inn-national...

Removing people from information about a historical event doesn't look good under any lens.

Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by duckfan on Thursday April 03, 2025 @08:58AM (#43568956)
Doesn't this change make it more historically accurate? In 1969, the year of the Stonewall uprising, the "TQ+" hadn't been invented yet as a cultural concept. The Stonewall Inn was a gay bar and was being targeted for that reason.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by reef_sh on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:20AM (#43569208)
Not really, no, especially considering the involvement of trans people in the event itself.

For example, see the section regarding "Zazu Nova" on the current page

https://www.nps.gov/ston/learn/photosmultimedia/virtual-fenc...

and before the erasure

https://web.archive.org/web/20250202042345/https://www.nps.g...

Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by duckfan on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:06AM (#43569916)
Interesting to see the difference and I agree that's an inaccurate edit. For historical accuracy it should describe Zazu Nova as a gay man who was also a transvestite or drag queen.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by reef_sh on Thursday April 03, 2025 @10:43AM (#43570464)
You do realize that "gay man", "transvestite", "drag queen", and "trans woman" are all different things right?

None of them implies the others. And using any term besides trans woman would be disingenuous, as trans people existed before before 1969, with that exact nomenclature already existing. Just because the letters might not have been attached to an "LGBT" title, neither T or Q are new. Only their increased acceptance and knowledge is.

And deleting references to those is, as you can see, seen as an obvious attempt to walk back on that public perception and acceptance.

While ( as often is ) a very summarized version of the history can be found on the wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history , the sources should lead you to more detailed info, if you do care about learning about the historical accuracy.

Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by duckfan on Thursday April 03, 2025 @12:38PM (#43572214)
The Stonewall Inn was a gay bar so we know that Zazu Nova must have been there due to being a gay man. As the previous iteration of the website describes Nova as "queen", "she" and "transgender woman", this means that in 1960s terminology Nova would almost certainly have been understood to be a transvestite, possibly a drag queen.

Sources on the web refer to Nova having involvement with the Street Transvestites Action Revolutionaries group, which fits with that description also.

Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by bakugo on Thursday April 03, 2025 @03:51AM (#43566277)
I did. It's almost nothing but intentionally obtuse terms that mask the actual issues being discussed.

For example, what exactly is "gender-affirming care"? Because I suspect that includes giving life-altering drugs to young children.

Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by rimbo789 on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:26AM (#43567079)
Gender-affirming care is good and needed to protect kids.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by duckfan on Thursday April 03, 2025 @03:07PM (#43573973)
A lot of people strongly believe this to be true. However, the evidence does not support this.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by banqjls on Thursday April 03, 2025 @05:29AM (#43567107)
It’s like when they call abortion “healthcare” as if we couldn’t tell the difference. It’s all semantics. But human lives are at stake so we shouldn’t compromise.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by tekla on Thursday April 03, 2025 @09:03AM (#43569006)
Not answering question.
Re:Why I don't discuss politics with friends by StefanBatory on Thursday April 03, 2025 @01:15PM (#43572709)
I don't think they're arguing in a good faith with you.

"“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”