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Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by wtallis on Saturday March 29, 2025 @05:25AM (#43514046)
> I know that we've started using uev since then which seems like it would change things.

Are you asking about EUV lithography? That's a manufacturing technique, but this thesis is about modeling the physics of how a transistor operates, not the process of building the transistor.

Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by sitkack on Saturday March 29, 2025 @10:59AM (#43516063)
They are implying that due to smaller features, the transistors change and if these models still hold for those smaller transistors.

Classic hn well akshully.

Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by momoschili on Saturday March 29, 2025 @11:44AM (#43516392)
Well I think both commentators are valid- the effect of shrinking a transistor but keeping the same geometry is probably well captured by this model. Going from a "10 nm" DUV finFET to a "7 nm" EUV finFET, this model probably works quite well whether you're manufacturing using EUV or DUV.

I think the crux of the matter is the transition from 7 nm down to our modern nodes, where the major change was not only going from DUV to EUV, but perhaps more importantly the change from finFET to multi-gate or gate-all-around FET (GAAFET), where this model probably needs significant updates to be still valid.

Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by sitkack on Saturday March 29, 2025 @12:42PM (#43516764)
The is answer the GP was looking for, thank you.
Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by wtallis on Saturday March 29, 2025 @03:04PM (#43517698)
This thesis already covers GAAFETs. What might be problematic is that it's modeling cylindrical GAA structures, when fabs are trying to implement GAA with ribbon/sheet style structures that this model might not be able to handle.
Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by momoschili on Sunday March 30, 2025 @01:03AM (#43521497)
good point, I didn't read closely enough! The geometry of the GAAFET is definitely changes the physical model a lot (among the most important factors probably?)
Re:Mathematical Compact Models of Advanced Transistors [pdf] by sitkack on Sunday March 30, 2025 @01:54PM (#43526088)
So did wtallis just invalidate his own admonishment of noosphr's question?

This feels like a hn breakthrough.