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Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by Alive-in-2025 on Friday March 28, 2025 @07:55PM (#43511189)
Twitter still has a lot of users and if they stopped being used by offensive at times racist and awful, then Twitter could get more users, sell advertising and make money probably. Now that's all gone because Twitter could investors need w own a small piece of the giant over inflated Xai, which has value because of AI hype but it's future actual value is questionable. There are so many other AI companies, so what is it that xai can do that justifies an $80 billion valuation?
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by monkeywork on Friday March 28, 2025 @11:49PM (#43512564)
>Twitter could get more users, sell advertising and make money probably

How'd that work out in the past with the previous owners?

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by acdha on Saturday March 29, 2025 @12:29AM (#43512733)
Well: with the exception of Q1 2020 they were profitable from 2017 until Musk bought the company. Their last year was lower due to a lawsuit settlement but they were making significant profits until his acquisition added huge debt service obligations and tanked revenue.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by monkeywork on Saturday March 29, 2025 @06:36AM (#43514351)
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by acdha on Saturday March 29, 2025 @07:58AM (#43514805)
Yes, like a lot of tech companies they weren’t focused on profits until their CEO prioritized it over growth but from that point on they were profitable from 2018 on, with the aforementioned bad quarter when everyone cut spending at the start of the pandemic. The one-time deferred lawsuit payout in 2021 masked what otherwise would have been several hundreds of millions in profit.

The problem people had understanding them was that they weren’t Facebook or Google. The expectations of a money-printing machine were unrealistic but they had a solid middle-tier business with a large number of solid customers.

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by saagarjha on Saturday March 29, 2025 @02:31AM (#43513283)
Well, they found someone who valued it at $44 billion.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by gg82 on Saturday March 29, 2025 @04:05AM (#43513685)
I think a great deal of that was because X owned a percentage of X.AI stock.

https://www.teslarati.com/x-investors-winning-big-elon-musk-...

https://archive.vn/F36yh

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by econ on Saturday March 29, 2025 @12:05AM (#43512631)
Maybe hoarding gpus?

https://sherwood.news/tech/companies-hoarding-nvidia-gpu-chi...

If anyone makes it work (whatever that means) in software they could buy it?

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by kelnos on Saturday March 29, 2025 @12:59AM (#43512867)
> if they stopped being used by offensive at times racist and awful, then Twitter could get more users, sell advertising and make money probably.

That's a big if, and I think most people would be pretty skeptical of the possibility of that happening. The fact that outside investors seem to value it at under $10B suggests that's a common enough opinion.

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by psd1 on Saturday March 29, 2025 @11:40AM (#43516365)
To me, "make money" only implies financial sustainability. Do you take it to mean unicorn levels of cash?

I had an employer taken over by PE and shredded, for the crime of only managing 10% profit margin. Apparently, to some, if 20% of revenue doesn't go into someone's pocket, your business is a corpse. I think the world needs to chuck that attitude in the bin.

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by WalterBright on Saturday March 29, 2025 @01:22PM (#43517023)
Opportunity cost is what the business can earn by investing in something else, usually something less risky than what the business is doing. If the business cannot earn more than the opportunity cost, it's a losing investment.

Businesses often use an opportunity cost of around 14%, so if the business is earning only 10%, then they are losing 4%.

For example, if you start a risky venture that earns 2%, when you could invest the money safely in bonds at 5%, it doesn't make sense to do the risky venture.

It's not an "attitude", it's maximizing the use of the money.

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by _DeadFred_ on Saturday March 29, 2025 @02:27PM (#43517464)
This thinking by American business is why tariffs will never bring back whole sectors of manufacturing to US shores. It's not business American companies want to get involved with.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by WalterBright on Saturday March 29, 2025 @04:19PM (#43518373)
Business wants to get involved in any endeavor that makes a profit larger than the opportunity cost.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by _DeadFred_ on Saturday March 29, 2025 @06:51PM (#43519454)
'if you start a ̶r̶i̶s̶k̶y̶ venture that earns 2%, when you could invest the money safely in bonds at 5%'

The US invented flat screen technology. The return on manufacturing didn't fit American business profit levels so they sold the technology off to overseas companies. Tariff's aren't going to fix that. They might artificially boost the return short term, but unless we are going permanent protected markets this sort of low return manufacturing isn't coming back, because of American management style, not 'Canada bad', not 'trade deals bad'. If anything a better cause statement would be to say 'American MBAs bad'.

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by WalterBright on Sunday March 30, 2025 @12:55AM (#43521457)
A far more likely cause would be the costs of doing business offshore are lower.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by _DeadFred_ on Sunday March 30, 2025 @01:40PM (#43525968)
The discussion way back when they interviewed executives about LCD patents/research being sold of was that they were just too low of a profit margin to bother pursuing. I believe it was a 60 Minutes piece but it may have been a nightly news piece at the time.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by WalterBright on Sunday March 30, 2025 @04:35PM (#43527393)
If business costs are lower offshore, that raises the profit margin for the busines to go there. It doesn't mean that offshore businesses accept lower margins.
Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by psd1 on Sunday March 30, 2025 @02:13PM (#43526240)
Understood. But what you have described is an attitude. Another possible attitude is being happy to lose money, hand over fist. Somewhere in between, there used to be a multi-billion company that made a piffling 10% margin on revenue.

You need some diversity in a system to remain able to change. Very homogenous populations are more likely to be wiped out in a crisis. Maximal efficiency is not maximal meta-efficiency.

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by usrusr on Saturday March 29, 2025 @08:39AM (#43515074)
> so what is it that xai can do that justifies an $80 billion valuation?

Crush every competitor through regulation?

Re:xAI has acquired X, xAI now valued at $80B by Alive-in-2025 on Sunday March 30, 2025 @03:47PM (#43526982)
Actually I think that's a great observation! I hadn't thought of that one. But Facebook, open AI, Google, Microsoft have even more money than musk and I'm sure they wont allow that.