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Re:The Burnout Machine by nosefurhairdo on Thursday March 20, 2025 @05:53PM (#43429412)
Would you rather have layoffs at your company or have your company go out of business due to excessive labor costs?

Should poor performers be immune from layoffs? When is a layoff justifiable?

I'm free to leave my job at any time, so why shouldn't my employer be free to leave me?

Re:The Burnout Machine by brian-armstrong on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:01PM (#43429480)
> Would you rather have layoffs at your company or have your company go out of business due to excessive labor costs?

I invite you to read earnings reports from any of the FAANG companies in the last 5 years. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Re:The Burnout Machine by daedrdev on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:06PM (#43429537)
Most people actually don't work at immensely profitable FAANG companies.
Re:The Burnout Machine by __loam on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:14PM (#43429621)
And yet they're so massive that them all doing layoffs at the same time despite that profitability has a huge impact on the labor market of the while industry.
Re:The Burnout Machine by daedrdev on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:18PM (#43429669)
If someone produces less effort than they cost, it's reasonable to fire them even if the organization as a whole is profitable. That's probably not what the FAANG companies did, but layoffs are not unjustifiable for profitable companies.
Re:The Burnout Machine by __loam on Thursday March 20, 2025 @09:32PM (#43431009)
We're not talking about performance terminations here.
Re:The Burnout Machine by ornornor on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:07PM (#43429550)
Your employer doesn’t need you to buy food or pay for a roof over their head.

You need your employer to stay fed and housed.

There is a lot more downside for you than your employer, thus a massive power asymmetry. The only way to restore the balance is solidarity between workers and it’s usually a union (or a guild)

Re:The Burnout Machine by nosefurhairdo on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:46PM (#43429936)
I don't need my employer for that either, because they're competing for my labor in a market with many other employers. It would be extremely costly to replace me because of the critical role I have on a highly profitable product. If anything, I'm the one with leverage, which I use every year to request more pay, fancier titles, and larger responsibilities.

Realistically, if I were laid off today I'd likely land a better paying job than this one. I choose to stay because I like my boss, my work, and my coworkers.

If circumstances changed such that it made sense to lay me off then I should be laid off. Why should anyone be obligated to pay my salary if I'm not offering commensurate value?

Re:The Burnout Machine by ornornor on Friday March 21, 2025 @12:05AM (#43431709)
Good for you. You’d still have all that and even more leverage with a union. And so would all your fellow SEs instead of only you.
Re:The Burnout Machine by saagarjha on Friday March 21, 2025 @06:41AM (#43434035)
> It would be extremely costly to replace me because of the critical role I have on a highly profitable product.

> If circumstances changed such that it made sense to lay me off

Companies don't always do things that make sense.

Re:The Burnout Machine by WJW on Thursday March 20, 2025 @06:39PM (#43429860)
Get some financial discipline and arrange an emergency fund covering at least 6 months of expenses. It's amazing how much less leverage your employer is able to exert if you can make good on a threat of leaving.
Re:The Burnout Machine by ornornor on Friday March 21, 2025 @12:06AM (#43431713)
Or you could have leverage from a union and not have to seriously consider quitting every time you need something from your employer.
Re:The Burnout Machine by goodpoint on Friday March 21, 2025 @10:01AM (#43435819)
> It's amazing how much less leverage your employer is able to exert if you can make good on a threat of leaving.

Look how well it worked for the mass layoffs.

Re:The Burnout Machine by __loam on Thursday March 20, 2025 @05:56PM (#43429444)
Should the most profitable companies on the planet be free to lay off good performers in a country where healthcare is tied to employment?

You can invent strawmen like poor performers and failing companies all day long but the facts differ quite a lot from your perception.

Re:The Burnout Machine by gnarlynarwhal42 on Friday March 21, 2025 @11:12AM (#43436654)
What motivation would a company have to lay off a good performer? Seems counter-productive, but I'm not a CEO