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Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:14AM (#43409729)
"free".

Elon Musk offers a lot of things for free, and then turns out you have to pay anyway.

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:31AM (#43409823)
Like?
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by eitland on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:35AM (#43409851)
First example that comes to mind is Starlinks for Ukraine.
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by concordDance on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @06:03AM (#43410020)
I thought some of those were still free. Do you have information to the contrary?

Edit: italicized

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by mikeyouse on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @06:25AM (#43410178)
Per the Polish government, they’re paying $50M per year for Ukraines service.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy87vg38dnpo.amp

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by melodyogonna on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @08:15AM (#43410881)
if $50m per year enough for the Starlink services needed in Ukraine?
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by whamlastxmas on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @09:40AM (#43411844)
no - it's a tiny fraction of the actual cost. so it's not "free" but it's massively subsidized to the point of being nearly free when it's a country paying for it
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by ta1243 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @10:35AM (#43412559)
In a high-development high-capital low-marginal cost it's tricky to determine the "actual cost". The marginal cost is minimal. The opportunity cost is minimal too (not like the satellites over Ukraine could be providing connectivity for other congested areas).
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @09:27AM (#43411666)
You are going to have to do better than some tweet battle. AFAIU from Wikipedia with decent sources the service is free, but the terminal's not, and that is what Poland paid.

Also, it's not like Ukraine or even Poland has to pay, the can pay if they want, they can also not pay if they want. It's entirely elective. They can stop using any time they want. I heard that Google has a Starlink replacement in the works that is super awesome and I also heard that while Europe has completely killed itself with regulation they are entirely willing to buy things made by China which has absolutely no regulation.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russian-Ukrain...

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @01:58PM (#43415316)
> they can also not pay if they want. It's entirely elective.

even if they pay, he can supply it if he wants, or he can cut them off if it threatens to inconvenience Russia.

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by kace91 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @07:21AM (#43410550)
Didn’t he very publicly offer to fund fixing world hunger then ignored it when an NGO came up with an actual plan?
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @09:22AM (#43411600)
How much was he paid for fixing world hunger?
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by jandrese on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:18PM (#43414016)
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by rpmisms on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:42PM (#43414329)
He called them on some ridiculous claim that $10 billion could end world hunger. He said that if they could show him how, he'd donate the money.

Spoiler alert, they could not show him how.

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Saturday March 22, 2025 @09:43AM (#43445594)
back in reality, no, they said "address world hunger", not "solve". I know we are in a post-truth phase of the decline, but please, try do do your part.
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by rpmisms on Monday March 24, 2025 @01:37PM (#43463485)
Actually, they did use the word "solve", they just added "help" first. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/26/economy/musk-world-hunger...

Check the errata at the bottom.

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by Denote6737 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:54AM (#43409970)
Doge
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @09:21AM (#43411591)
how much is he being paid for doge?
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by ta1243 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @10:36AM (#43412582)
Billions
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @10:58AM (#43412888)
Cite?
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @02:00PM (#43415333)
he closed down all the government departments that had open cases on his contracts.
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Thursday March 20, 2025 @03:02AM (#43420419)
Not a citation.
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @07:53AM (#43421920)
it's really great that people like you take online discussions so seriously - here's the citation: https://democrats-judiciary.house.gov/uploadedfiles/2025.02....

I hope you read it carefully and we can have some intelligent conversation about the contents.

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Thursday March 20, 2025 @08:24AM (#43422157)
Does in no way show that Elon is being paid for DOGE.
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @09:30AM (#43423065)
he gets paid for the contracts he already has and for new ones (billions in corporate welfare). some government agencies tried to investigate his companies and contracts (which would cause a loss of handouts from the government), so he bought his way into the government and fired everybody who was investigating his companies.

does that help?

Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by flanked-evergl on Thursday March 20, 2025 @10:16AM (#43423866)
So then he is not getting paid for DOGE. Glad we cleared that up between us.
Re:Crew-9 Returns to Earth by exe34 on Thursday March 20, 2025 @04:14PM (#43428343)
that's a cartoon level understanding of the world. thieves don't always wear a Zorro eye mask and carry a burlap sack with a dollar sign.