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Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by owebmaster on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @08:03AM (#43398388)
> The US and allies defeated the taliban within weeks.

But I'm the end, who had to flee and who is in power in Afghanistan since then?

Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by kennysoona on Tuesday March 18, 2025 @01:44PM (#43402346)
> But I'm the end, who had to flee

No one fled.

Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by lostlogin on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @03:24AM (#43409084)
They didn’t leave as winners.
Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by kennysoona on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @03:54AM (#43409243)
They did more so than they did as losers.
Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by lostlogin on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @05:02AM (#43409652)
It spent $2.3 trillion, lost 2,324 U.S. military and 3,917 contractors. And then there’s the hundred thousand afghan deaths.

What did the US get?

https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/11/afghanistan-was-lo...

Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by kennysoona on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @07:14AM (#43410516)
> What did the US get?

It improved the quality of life and security for the people their immeasurably positively. If the withdrawal had not happened, and better leadership was displayed, the would have been completely wiped out.

What they were trying to get, was another ally in the region. They could have to, if it weren't for poor leadership.

Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by lostlogin on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @08:24AM (#43410936)
I know some of the things they were tying to get, and I’m also not convinced it was as altruistic as that. But I’m not talking about goals. What was achieved? It isn’t safer and the US hasn’t made an ally.

Those things have not been achieved. If those were the aims, the US lost and the Teliban won.

Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by kennysoona on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:28PM (#43414145)
> Those things have not been achieved. If those were the aims, the US lost and the Teliban won.

That's one way to look at it sure. From a purely force against force perspective though, they didn't come anywhere close to losing.

Re:France plots tax on super-rich to rearm – and Britain cou... by lostlogin on Wednesday March 19, 2025 @12:57PM (#43414494)
> From a purely force against force perspective though, they didn't come anywhere close to losing

Yes, I agree. The US saw this as a military problem, but that was only part of it. Winning a particular ground battle, capturing a town etc was only part of what was needed.