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Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tgma on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:07PM (#43311138)
Regardless of how McCarthyism is antagonized under post Cold War era, it is not at all clear to me that such crackdowns wouldn't have been essential in ensuring the culture war is not lost to the Soviet Union.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by atoav on Sunday March 09, 2025 @01:19PM (#43311287)
Yeah?

How about you check out the rest of the western world, where each single democracy had their own pickings with communist tendecies. And most of them handled that in the common sense way of giving workers basic protections and ensuring their share of wealth so they don't feel the need to go to the communists.

Worked pretty well for most European countries.

Although, once communism was gone, the ideology of neolibral economic thinking took over and thus all benefits to workers were seen as unnecessary expenses. Leading to the current rise in nationalism and fascism nearly everywhere.

It is pretty simple: If you want all people to carry a system, all people need to feel like they profit from its existence. Once the mask slips and people realize they aren't profiting, they will be unwilling to hold up their side of the social contract. This is what is happening right now.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by ModernMech on Sunday March 09, 2025 @02:04PM (#43311883)
> This is what is happening right now.

Yup, and the response to from the owner class is not to uphold the social contract, but to renegotiate it.

"the whole structure of society will be up for debate and reconfiguration." - Sam Altman

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by atoav on Monday March 10, 2025 @04:03AM (#43318009)
I agree with Sam Altman that the whole structure of society will be up for debate. But he probably assumes that in the new structure he is going to be on top.

I mean I am actually impressed by the sizeable part of the population media moguls managed to convince into a cultish devotion to lie to themselves against their own naterial interests. This is bad everywhere, but the current US has a propaganda machine that is truly astonishing, in a scary way.

The problem with that is that authoritarians have no incentive to figure out the real roots of a problem. Like a doctor that always blames it on some devil, demon, or whatnot when you go to them an authoritarian will not solve the problem, because every (real) crisis is a chance to blame the (fictional) enemy.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tgma on Sunday March 09, 2025 @02:10PM (#43311934)
> Worked pretty well for most European countries.

Has it though? It appears most of Europe is by and large a failed state collapsing under such communist-adjacent policies plus unbounded immigration. I would not want to be Europe today, so yeah, to the extent McCarthyism has been a protection against that, kudos.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by AlimJaffer on Sunday March 09, 2025 @02:20PM (#43312041)
... have you ever been to Europe? A failed state - keep drinking that Fox News koolaid.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tgma on Sunday March 09, 2025 @02:26PM (#43312109)
Yes, two of my siblings are European citizens. It's staggering how much richer US feels. Many Europeans are fed daily propaganda and thus are in denial/ideological hatred. I implore Europeans especially the ones in technology to skip over anti-capitalist and anti-American propaganda widespread in Europe (e.g. you'll hear shootings every day; you'll be BK and die on the street if you get cancer) and seriously explore opportunities in the US. They can be multiple times wealthier, not just some measly percentages.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by jpl98 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:04PM (#43313157)
This is the classic american take, look at how much more money you could have.

To most europeans there are more important things than money, especially those working in tech who likely earn enough to have a great quality of life. Also lots of them have been to the US and made their own minds up.

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by esafak on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:13PM (#43312590)
That money apparently is not making Americans happier:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-...

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tgma on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:20PM (#43312679)
When you measure Socialist ideals and call it "happiness" you get paradoxical results.

Ignore the US; keep believing that Sweden is happier than Spain :)

They should really call it something like "World ESG Index."

Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by Peanuts99 on Sunday March 09, 2025 @03:25PM (#43312721)
But you only get two weeks of annual leave a year on average to enjoy that extra money. Seems a shame.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by tgma on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:11PM (#43313220)
You can take a few years off with one year of FANG comp but if denial feels good I am not going to ruin the moment.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by latentcall on Sunday March 09, 2025 @04:48PM (#43313631)
Yes most of the population does not enjoy that benefit. I understand you only care for yourself, so yes please enjoy the current system that benefits you. Maybe we can a country just for you and send you there.
Re:US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s by LunaSea on Sunday March 09, 2025 @07:05PM (#43314892)
Check average life expectancies and come back to us with your findings.