I've been shopping Ford Mavericks and they have no incentives other than a 3 year lease. They are hot because they are filling a market niche that is in-demand. Incentives are priced accordingly.

Low demand, high incentives. High demand, low incentives.

They also have annual sales of ~140k globally. The Y is closer to 1.2M.

Even in the US, the Y sells ~2x as many as Maverick.

Ford can't make them fast enough, apparently

Something tells me that the model Y wi be selling dramatically less in the coming years.

That's why Tesla is releasing the cheaper Model Q later this year.

There's speculation that Ford doesn't make enough Mavericks because they don't want to erode F150 sales. The Maverick is a sweet little truck.

The maverick cuts into their f150 sales and they under priced it initially. They have been raising prices steadily and they the trucks still sell out

wait a bit more, it’ll be 0%, free FSD and free supercharging and under $80k

Why do you want one?

100% the only reason anyone would buy a cyber truck is ego and/or attention.

They're bad at everything you'd want a truck for. They're impractical and have high upkeep costs.

I think some people really love the hate it brings. It’s like driving around in a giant dumpster with a hate symbol on it except it won’t get you cancelled and fired from your job.

I would snap up a Model Y if it had V2X charging. I can only imagine Tesla is worried about undercutting their powerwall business.

Powerwall gives you 13 kwh for $10K. A model Y is 60kwh for $30k

CT has v2x. I hope it comes to the other cars eventually.

Free graffiti comes standard in 2025.

Serious question: do you expect to have to field questions about buying a car from Musk post-seig heil and DOGE?

> Serious question: do you expect to have to field questions about buying a car from Musk post-seig heil and DOGE?

I live in a liberal part of California.

No one has said anything to me about driving a Tesla, and I doubt anyone will.

I know a few folks who have ruled out a tesla because of Elon, but the realize that a car and the ecology around it is more than its CEO (or whatever he is).

I know many more folks who have bought a new one.

I support cutting government waste. So do the majority of Americans, BTW. And no one with any folds on their brain believes Musk is a "Nazi".

anyone that supports cutting government waste and has an ounce brain would be smart to realize that that what government people in charge do not give a flying fuck about cutting government waste - do better

I too support cutting government waste, provided it's done right. The problem is that currently it's being done with all the grace of a hippo in ice skates. A good manager does things methodically, not spastically. If he were advising well, we wouldn't have to keep calling important people back to work.

You also don't have to believe Musk is an actual Nazi to believe he should be careful in how he presents himself. We don't make these sorts of gestures precisely because people might think you are one. If you don't believe me, make a trip to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem and try it yourself, and see whether you make it out without injuries. (And please have someone film you.)

And the guy has more than enough money to hire a speaking coach. He probably ought to.

We are broke. We're out of good options.

Your opinion is inconsistent with the vast majority of economists and financial analysts.

The government has the taxing power to remedy any shortfalls. If the country were truly in bad shape financially, we would have to pay much higher interest rates and our bond rating would below the highest grade there is.

I don’t know who you’re listening to, but whomever they are, they’re not very well informed, or at the very least, they’re at odds with the smart money.

The "opinion of economists" is why we'll be paying $1T+ in interest on our debt this year, and why we print $2T a year and haven't balanced the budget in well over two decades. I have kids. I'm not going to saddle them with crippling debt to provide circumcision in Zimbabwe or to replace the Taliban with better armed Taliban.

How much Rush do you listen to?

The guy who welded my exhaust and tasted my transmission fluid to tell me how "synthetic tastes terrible" says the things you do.

All that dude listens to is fear mongering conservative media that constantly misrepresents reality to make people feel scared. Everytime I walk into that shop I hear scared white dudes talking about things that aren't actually happening to justify their weird stances on issues they know nothing about.

How much MSNBC do you listen to? https://www.usdebtclock.org

I dont listen/watch msnbc. Most people would describe me as center-right in US politics.

I live in the rural/urban divide and grew up extremely conservative on a ranch. I know a ton of people like you, including a lot of my family. Your stances are based on willful ignorance and a very basic misunderstanding of the topics being discussed. Folks who talk like you are basically one "enlightenment" away from sovereign citizen status.

As I said before, there’s nothing wrong with looking at our finances and making cuts to things we think are wasteful. But there’s a right way to do things, and that’s according to law, and with careful exercise.

I just hope you’re not teaching your children that behavior like Musk’s and Trump’s is to be emulated. I fear that more than debt.