ID4 was at least $10k more expensive in Oct 2024, with worse driving performance.

ID4's price seems to be $42k in the US? How much is the Model Y? Or did ID4's price decrease to $42k recently?

They added a new tier and dropped some and increased some.

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/02/vw-ditches-base-2025-id-4-...

I was comparing a 3 row model Y AWD with tow hitch to AWD Pro ID.4 and ID.4 was coming in close to $50k, both with the federal tax credit. And the ID.4 lacked the 3rd row seating. I am also biased against European vehicles because I assume they will be more maintenance/expensive. I had a bunch of people recommend Model Y to me, and I trusted Tesla's electric vehicle making experience more than VW.

> Is there any special sauce to autopilot?

Yes, copium

I will be the first to say Elon is a Nazi and shouldn’t be in a leadership position.

But it’s crazy to claim Model 3 and Y are not competitively priced products that are usable for many, many people.

And I will also say I would not currently pay extra for a high end Tesla. But on the cheap end, and with the far superior buying experience without a stealership in the middle, it is welcome competition to the incumbent automakers.

What's your evidence that he's a nazi? Waving at a crowd doesn't count btw.

Oh it’s waving?

You should upload a video of yourself doing it. Do it right now if it’s not a Nazi salute.

I’ll wait for your upload.

Not really but it works nicely, also with less than ideal road conditions.

Obligatory disclaimers:

- Tesla is from USA and its CEO Elon Musk appears to be a nazi.

- Mobileye, the company that sells driving assistance equipment to many car manufacturers including VW, is from Israel.

I would be shocked if ID4 had comparable driver assistance features. Even Audis are pretty shaky and unreliable. Tesla’s seem to be a few generations ahead

Even a current Toyota Corolla has lane assistance but turning it on, settings etc are just better at the Tesla model 3 I drive. Lane keeping is good, haptic and audio feedback are good. The Toyota has haptic steering wheel feedback that I have not figured out yet, it steers but also leaves the lane. The Toyota chirms/acoustic sounds appear to me not used consistently across different functions, sound too similar or not warning enough. Admittedly this can all be personal choice and getting used to.