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Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by elliotbnvl on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:38AM (#43291017)
verb: keep from being seen; conceal.

In what way is what he’s describing not obscurity?

Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by MyOutfitIsVague on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:56AM (#43291201)
Two points:

1. Encrypted data is not hidden. You still know that there is data, it's just in a form that you can't understand. Just as difficult higher-level math isn't "obscured" from a non-mathematician (who knows that it is math, but can't decode it), encrypted data is not obscured.

2. You could make the argument that the data is actually hidden, but the fact that data is there is not hidden. This is pointless pedantry, though. It is both contrary to the way that everybody uses the word and stretches the meaning of the word to the point that it's not useful. There is a common understanding of what "Security through obscurity" means ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity ) and interpreting it far beyond that is not useful. It simply breaks down communication into annoying semantic arguments. I enjoy semantic arguments, but not tedious, pedantic ones where one person just argues that a word isn't what everybody understands it to mean.

More specifically, it's about WHAT is being obscured. "Security through obscurity" is about trying to be secure by keeping the details or mechanisms of a system secret, not the data itself.

Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by genewitch on Saturday March 08, 2025 @03:02AM (#43298436)
Running your SSH server on port 8822 is security through obscurity.

Port knocking isn't, I don't think.

Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by dghlsakjg on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:54AM (#43291173)
Yes that is what the word obscure means.

But the phrase “security through obscurity” is an industry term that refers to keeping things secure purely by not letting people know they exist.

In contrast with encryption, where I can tell you exactly where the encrypted data is, but you can’t access it.

Security through obscurity is hiding a bicycle in a bush and hoping no one notices it, encryption is more like locking it to a bike rack with a very good lock.

Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by DrammBA on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:53AM (#43291167)
In every way, because context matters, and the original commenter intentionally recontextualized it just to be contrarian.
Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by cnity on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:50AM (#43291146)
It is about the existence or the methodology being obscured, not the contents of an encrypted message. The point of that phrase is to contrast one type of security for another. You and I can know exactly what tool was used to encrypt something, and all the mathematics behind it, but still fail to decrypt it without the requisite private key.
Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by ewmiller on Friday March 07, 2025 @11:10AM (#43291341)
You wouldn’t call a room behind a locked door “obscured.” Even if it’s technically correct in the most stretched definition (which I’m not convinced of), either way it’s not how people actually use the word.
Re:Ask HN: How did internet discover my subdomain? by Minor49er on Friday March 07, 2025 @10:58AM (#43291220)
This was explained in the third sentence of the post that you're responding to