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Re:Apple M3 Ultra by klausa on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @10:50AM (#43268191)
Baseline M4 doesn't have Thunderbolt 5 either; only the Pro/Max variants do.

The press-release even calls TB5 out: >Each Thunderbolt 5 port is supported by its own custom-designed controller directly on the chip.

Given that they're doing the same on A-series chips (A18 Pro with 10Gbps USB-C; A18 with USB 2.0); I imagine it's just relatively simple to swap the I/O blocks around and they're doing this for cost and/or product segmentation reasons.

Re:Apple M3 Ultra by sroussey on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @02:43PM (#43271311)
Which means this is a whole new chip. It may be M3 based, but with added interposer support and new thunderbolt stuff.

Which, at this point, why not just use M4 as a base?

Re:Apple M3 Ultra by klausa on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @03:14PM (#43271712)
>Which, at this point, why not just use M4 as a base?

I imagine that making those chips is quite a bit more involved than just taking the files for M3 Max, and copy-pasting them twice into a new project.

I imagine it just takes more time to design/verify/produce them; especially given they're not selling very many of them, so they're probably not super-high-priority projects.

Re:Apple M3 Ultra by kridsdale1 on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @02:50PM (#43271396)
Could be that M4 requires a different TSMC fab that is at full production doing iPhones.
Re:Apple M3 Ultra by operatingthetan on Wednesday March 05, 2025 @02:59PM (#43271527)
Or they are saving the M4 Ultra name for later on ...