Guantanamo bay man. That’s a camp. They tortured people using something called extraordinary rendition.

Civilization is the same everywhere. Utopia can’t exist because of fundamental aspects of human nature.

I think the real difference between the US and China is that the US is sort of delusional. They hide the truth of themselves and live under a mirage of moral idealism while Chinese people are fully aware of the moral issues with their own government.

A good example is you. You’re well aware of Guantanamo bay and extraordinary rendition. Your delusion just prevents you from thinking about it.

GB has a different scale, afaia, and does not have a genocidal component in that it enprisons specific people and not any people from a certain race/origin.