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Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by gambiting on Saturday March 01, 2025 @04:31AM (#43217616)
>>The Europeans are not going to be willing to sacrifice their vast social programs for a massive defense build up.

I think you might be very surprised about that, countries on the eastern end of the EU look ready to make that trade without hesitation, as they were invaded by Russia in the past themselves and can understand the risks. Poland is already at 5% GDP spending on defence, and by all indications that number will only grow. That's war-like levels of spending.

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by ovi256 on Saturday March 01, 2025 @09:14AM (#43219412)
> countries on the eastern end of the EU look ready to make that trade without hesitation

I don't think so, there already are populist opposition parties in most of these countries that want 1. their country to be more pro-RU 2. to keep the welfare state for their populist supporters going

Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by gambiting on Saturday March 01, 2025 @10:55AM (#43220500)
As someone who is from one of those countries - I don't see that at all. In fact I'd say that the national mood is such that if we were attacked the nation would overwhelmingly support going to war with Russia with or without NATO support.
Re:Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting by remarkEon on Saturday March 01, 2025 @11:41AM (#43221021)
>with or without NATO support.

That's the rub, isn't it. The bluster about willingness to face Moscow in a war is all because of Article V and the assumption that the Americans will come and participate in a nuclear exchange.